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Submit ReviewWhat about those Rules of Acquisition? It's back to Deep Space 9! What you haven't watched the most recent episode? "Hear All, Trust Nothing" is more or less an episode of DS9, so we had to cover it. If you haven't caught up on Star Trek: Lower Decks don't worry, neither have James or Hugh. What is goin on post Dominion War? Just when does this take place? How do Kira and Quark work as cartoons? What is going on with all these new Trek shows? It's almost an old fashioned RoA
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Know nothing about D&D or tabletop role playing games? Hugh talks to an expert* to figure out just what the deal is. How much is the past time growing? What is the history of D&D? Just how the hell do you play a game where you pretend to be an elf?
Then a look at the Star Trek Adventures role playing game.
*It's Wade. He talks to Wade. Surprise surprise. No James in this one.
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On the patreon: Hugh and James have opinions on Strange New Worlds! Wade Hasn't even seen it yet?!
Here is a preamble to that discussion.
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James and Hugh watched the Peter Jackson Beatles documentary on Disney + and there's a discussion on making art. Didn't watch it? That's ok, Wade didn't either. You like the Beatles, right?
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Matrix and Tenet, compared. And Spider-Man. And convoluted metaphors about art. And The View? A little culture talk. James has a delightful conspiracy theory. Who’s coming for the auteurs? Does culture need to decentralize? Can subcultures sustain us? The re-Lolapaloozing of Gen X.
Spoilers I guess.
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Wade has only seen one episode of Succession, so James and Hugh tread lightly to talk about what they like on the show every person seems to be talking about.
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Stick around til the end when Hugh revisits what we knew and didn't know about Terry Ferrel.
Initiate Arjin visits DS9 to whine! A baby universe. Voles! Jadzia gets an intern, or a trill up for joining who is surprised by the unorthodox Dax. Finally the "Is Jadzia Kurzon?" question is settled. Wade makes the argument this episode can serve as a meta-commentary on the character herself. OH, and there's a proto universe that gets batted around by muppet skinless cats. Are the moral implications of stepping on a universe of ants more deserving of an A plot than Jadzia's sex wrestling? Listen and decide for yourself!
It's another Remix of The ROA. Stick around til the end when Hugh talks bout Bolians.
Welcome to Space Mayberry! It's NOT a next generation rewrite? Go figure. Odo and Dax land on a planet that is NOT a TNG script. Quark is running shenanigans while Odo is gone. Will Kira get her swerve on? Yes she will. We love this writer, we... well, this ain't a bad episode.
We revisit a pretty good episode, and -because we're old now- Hugh reminds some listeners who Ted Kaczynski was.
Cool Hand Benjamin. Sisko and O’Brien crash land on a planet of space Luddites. More Space Amish? Nope. Space hippy cultists. But did this episode have a point that could have been explored more? Classic trek, where a Captain- er commander- is tortured to see what he is made of. But it’s not Cardassian torture this time- for once! We discuss how other captains might have dealt with the situation. And some O’Brien backstory! RambO’Brien Jason Bour’ien?
Things aren't what they seem for O'Brien. Is this a M. Night Sham, or is it like that Rick and Morty episode? Maybe Parallax View, or a certain most famous of scifi noirs? Just how would this plot play out as an episode of The Americans? Oh it's a mystery! Or is it? We slide stealthily into a nerd corner conversation on teleporters and cloning. Can Hugh get over his dislike for Colm Meaney's furrowed brow?
In the "remix" portion of the pod, Hugh looks back at the episodes of the other shows we talk about on the podcast.
Hugh revisits Armageddon Game, and also revisits A Stitch in Time, which came up in this episode.
More O'Brien and Bashir bromancing. Two races with ridiculous hair are the worsts hosts ever. How do they repay a favor? Kill the guys doing you a solid. Not cool, bro. After getting rid of what we're told is the ultimate doomsday weapon -but that appears a run of the mill biological weapon, with a name that doesn't describe what it does at all- Miles and Julian hide out in a bunker. Surprisingly NOT a rehashed TNG script. We talk Seuss, Babylon 5, and some redeeming qualities of this episode.
The ROA remixed!
Yeah, we're still doing these. The Rules of Acquisition may be over, but we'll still be looking back at it from time to time.
Hugh revisits The Alternate, and tries to see just what Wade was talking about here...
Odo's Dad! (kinda) Is this a horror movie? Father issues, the stuff popular filmed entertainment is made of! What happens when the DS9 crew goes to an abandoned planet, brings back an obelisk, and then tries to give every cast member a defining line while trying to recreate The Thing, or Alien? Does that screw up the third act? Wade does his damnedest to defend this episode.
We may have moved on from DS9, but Star Trek does still sometimes come up from time to time. Tired of waiting for episodes of the podcast? We talk a variety of subjects and update regularly for patrons. Here's a short conversation we had about Worf. Also for free on the patreon this week: you can hear some of our thoughts on the Loki Disney + show.
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Two podcasts mirror each other. One maybe died.
You don't think we can be nice? We can be nice.
Get lost in the edgy 90s. Don't murder your wife.
This is a special podcast! And for us it's a symbol of our individuality, and our belief... in personal freedom.
Heineken? F- Heineken! Drink in the episode art. Don't you look at me. Listen to the podcast.
This podcast about David Lynch's Dune [or is it Alan Smithee's?] is from our 2018 Patreon bonus series "Much A-Dune About Nothing" but it pretty well covers our thoughts on the film.
We are not an animal. We are a podcast.
We get into David Lynch’s work, starting at the beginning. We watched the 2016 documentary David Lynch: The Art Life and Eraserhead. James has some “textured” audio in this one.
Faces smudged with pod, your hosts explain what is going on with the future of this podcast and Kickers of Elves.
Get ready for some renovations. We're changing the name of the podcast and moving to a new format. What will we be covering first? We're delving deep into David Lynch: first with an exploration of all of the films, then we'll cover that other prequel to modern tv, Twin Peaks.
Prince Humperdink is a grifter! Wade is embarrassed to like this one. O’Brien and Bashir: Mango Habanero sauce. We do a lot of talking about Julian Bashir as an “unlikeable character” in the pre-Soprano’s era There’s a Bella Union to Quark’s Swearengen’s Saloon… cept no part of this slush pile script is exactly on par with Deadwood, sorry Star Trek Discovery writer Joe Menosky. SPACE RACQUETBALL.
Stick around to the end to hear Wade talk trash at other podcasts and then just talk what may be gibberish.
Hugh looks back on this Season 2 episode with some extra research.
Oatmeal faced reverse space Mormons! And that's not even meant as a pejorative. Exploration of the universal translator is appreciated, but does it clutter up the rest of this episode where a matriarchal society lands on DS9 and pulls a Battlestar Galactica on Bajor? Just what is Boner from Growing Pains doing? What could have been a great exploration of responses to a refugee crisis turns into a wonky episode of Star Trek. Some "fun" scenes, but unrelated to the central theme of the episode. Would a two parter be better? Is this description making any sense? Our computer voice is a little perplexed...
Hugh and James talk up top on a pamphlet for the left. Also we talk about Beavis and Butthead and class.
Trigger warning: No Star Trek content contained within!
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This DS9 episode could have used a second pass... Hugh gives the podcast a second pass and has to mention Kanye, Colm with John Huston, and ... Dune?
What starts with a great father/son scene about that time Picard blew up Ben Sisko's wife devolves into mooning over a woman with no personality and a penchant for disappearing. A man reignites a dead sun with science we are dubious about. But the episode is almost worth watching just for Chief O'Brien's eye rolls alone.
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Terok Nor? More like Terok NOIRE! How did Odo go from doing the “Cardassian Neck Trick” in parlours to being a constable on board a Bajoran space station? A flashback episode will answer that. Kira is pretty great. We spend a lot of this episode gushing over how we think Peter Allan Field is the best thing to happen to Star Trek Deep Space Nine. But is there something missing from this episode?
Wade rambles about this episode and embarrasses himself again.
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Another teaser where these jerks don't even talk Star Trek. James and Hugh talk about The Punisher's computer guy, America's Chernobyl, and mostly Richard Power's The Overstory.
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Title track!
24th Century Buttslap!
Hugh looks back on this episode and provides some Mark Singer Facts at the end.
Does this Deep Space Nine episode live up to the hype? Maybe not. There are a lot of rules in this episode, and we get the first mention of the Dominion. Plus a lot of rehashed Shakespeare plot from a play two of us performed way back in our high school days. Plus some good old fashioned 90's Gay Panic!
More like "Meh, Lora", huh? Wade Looks back on this episode and tries not to embarrass himself.
DS9's resident pickup artist, Julian Bashir "falls in love" and has some zero g space sex. We really lay into Julian in this one. We debate some more alien physiology, including turkey wattles and mouth handles in addition to what a lady who grew up flying might look like. How bout that David Foster Wallace reference? Let us know if that alienated you; we love you regardless. Aw, sorry to make it weird again...
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Whilst Julian and Garak flirt at the replimat, a Cardassian boy boards DS9, bites Garak, and sets off a story wherein we actually start to appreciate the character of Julian Bashir. Not nearly as much as we enjoy Garak or Dukat, however. Race issues! Down to a Guess Who's Coming to Dinner scene. This is perhaps the best episode that we've watched since Duet. Also: Why do we love these space nazis so much? Our racist grandpas. Trans-Racialism James has more fodder for his anti Ira Behr libel; we go against the grain of your typical DS9 fan, and praise Gene Roddenberry.
Is the writer a hack? In the remix material, Hugh reexamines a theme that we have barely gotten to yet in the podcast.
James called a shot on Discovery.
This week Hugh has some Invasive Procedure facts we left out from the original version.
A trill episode! Deep Space Nine has been evacuated, but for completely different reasons than last episode! Jon Glover is a mediocre trill, but he wants a slug of his very own...Dax's slug! He assembles a ragtag team of Western tropes, a confederate and a hooker with a heart of gold, to run a badly planned heist aboard DS9. Stat Trek favorite Tim Russ appears as a pre-Tuvok Klingon! We talk a good deal about the ins and outs and evolution of conjoined races.
Star Trek goes Star Wars? Blasphemy! What is Wade even going on about at the end of this?
But this is an action packed episode where Kira and Dax fly a small X-wing sized ship, and encounter a muppet spider - someone found it at a yard sale (really). Lots to unpack in this one. Wade thinks it's a little weak in the scene transitions; James thinks there's some filler. Oh, and Stephen Weber shows up and blows his chance to portray a bigger character on DS9 later! The grand ending of the the three part beginning of Season 2 of the third Star Trek series (not counting the animated one)!
Hugh revisits the Circle.
Make Bajor Great Again! Part Two of the "Li Nalis Trilogy." But rather than figuring out his character, this episode actually focuses more on Kira being kicked off the station. On Bajor, Bareil shows her a homemade porno from the Prophets, but we prefer the sexual energy between the old people because... more Frank Langella! The sexiest of Skeletors. Sisko is a stand up guy to an actor with an interesting Star Trek history. We are yet again mostly complimentary.
Season 2!
Wait for the end, where James looks back on his former liberal ways.
Resetting from season one. More Bajor politics! Kira sets out to save a war hero. Because an earring. Is he a real hero or looking for a way out? Liberty Valance. Kira and O'Brien take a trip to Star Trek's favorite rock quarry. Is Li Nalas something to hang this three episode arc on or do they forget about him for most of the next episode! But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Oh, and we get into a big conversations about needing legends and symbols. and more.
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CALAMITY! In this remix Hugh addresses our first "calamity episode," Big 2016 energy, and how the world we inhabited back then was both similar and very unlike the times we find ourselves in now.
That's it! We're at the end... ...of the first season; thank the Prophets. If you believe in that sort of thing. Two pretty good episodes back to back; are they realigning the show to be... good? Is it a miracle? Does that answer depend on your point of view? This episode has two issues it's good to stay away from at dinner parties: Religion and Politics. Wade, in fact, gets a little into his cups and perhaps overzealous. And definitely a bit crude with some information. We have a lot to say about Nurse Ratched herself, Louise Fletcher, who shows up as one of the big villains of the show. Apologies are made!
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No time for ridicule, this is A Very Special Episode! Kira duets with a Cardassian, and three white guys from the bible belt get uncomfortable talking about the Holocaust. From post Cold War relations to The Man in the Glass Booth, Adolf Eichmann, and the Banality of Evil; how can art, and specifically science fiction, best approach some of these prickly topics? Lot's to talk about, and we might not fully cover every controversial subject, including AIDS, without being interrupted by the end... Art's tricky man, I dunno.
Wade reflects on then and now and what we think about now with the world the way it is.
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Another space day. Another space possession. Or not. Another space virus; this one turns people into paranoid jerks. We dissect this episode it and try to fix it as best we can. Some may like it more than we do... James has things to say about Ira Behr. Wade can't remember Rudy Ray Moore's name, but this episode is not about that. Sadly.
Looking back, James talks about the podcast as a romantic relationship, and the problems and irritations that arise therein.
Don't you hate it when Star Trek gets political? Oh wait, we're not even talking Star Trek here. Don't worry, it'll be over in three minutes. Not even long enough to hit skip on your podcast player. If you want more, there's a lot more of this discussion to hear. Check out the Kickers of Elves Patreon where we have all sorts of additional content covering movies, TV, politics and all the other things Wade, James, and Hugh talk about when they're not talking about Deep Space Nine. https://www.patreon.com/posts/34226761
Wade waxes on about romance and looking back on this episode.
In the interest of checking off all the obligatory characters from ST: TNG, Lwaxana Troi shows up in this episode! But wait! It's actually pretty good! She gets more intimate with a gooey Odo than she ever did with Picard. Is she more interesting without her daughter? Bashir is Pete Campbell. Technobabble. Obrien gets a puppy.
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Hugh talks Colm Meaney on leprechauns and nerds out on some baseball statistics.
More like "If Wishes Were Horses#!t." Yes, after last week's praise, we're back into the gutter! Obrien meets WHATISCERTAINLYNOTALEPRECHAUN. Nope, it's just another Alien of the Week. As Peter Dinklage said in Living in Oblivion: "Want to make it weird? Oh, put a dwarf in it." So we get "the Man from Another Place" himself, Michael J Anderson as a guest star. We talk about that, some other things, the Julian Problem, and the one good thing to stick around from this episode: Sisko's baseball.
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Is Star Trek Picard a good show? Hack trope garbage built to mine IP? Some sort of quantum form existing in both states at once?
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Just as we've progressed on Kira throughout the podcast, James has progressed his ideas on "Progress"
Listen, and be amazed as we praise Kira's performance. Niners, be confounded by how little we actually talk about self sealing stembolts! Bajoran politics: Kira has to evict an old man from the Shire. Jake and Nog do a red paperclip story; the Ferengi hate land? We go on a tangent about what Marina Sirtis has had to put up with in her career (more than she should have had to). We disagree a bit, but agree this is a pretty good episode of Deep Space Nine, if not your standard Star Trek. https://patreon.com/kickersofelves https://kickersofelves.com https://twitter.com/kickerspodcasts
One episode. Two stories. That. Don't. Interact. At. All.
One podcast, two versions. Recorded. Years. Apart. Wade feels rusty. Is he?
Nobody likes Julian, even O'brien, but things get set up for later. They yell at a smoke monster. Missourians know river politics. Wade is maybe puerile in what he notices in the set dressing. Jake and Nog hit on a girl. James talks libertarians. Hugh introduces a new segment, where we perhaps insult any listeners who are responsible for the IMDB episode ratings. Hope you're not offended. We love you... Speaking of... Rate us!
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Miss us? The ROA Remix episodes will keep coming, but regular listeners might like to hear new discussion from the three of us? And we're not even arguing in this one.
Before watching the new Witcher show on Netflix that everyone else is talking about we talk about the book series by Polish writer Andrzej Sapkowski. Patrons can hear us on the regular, talking about a variety of subjects at https://patreon.com/kickersofelves. Dropped this week are two other conversations, about Rick and Morty and TV, plus video games. Is Death Stranding gaming's Gravity's Rainbow?
Stick around to the end when Hugh goes all in on Opaka, IMDB scores, and more.
Jonathan Banks! Plays a pissed off alien. Which he can pull off pretty well as you might imagine. Kai Alpaca, the Space Pope from the premiere comes back and sets things into motion... But mostly we're excited to see Jonathan Banks. That's Mike from Breaking Bad if you don't know who that is. Why don't you know who Jonathan Banks is?
Hugh guides you through the vortex, and reflects on NYPD Blue, Nana Visitor's career, and his cohosts beer consumption.
This week a couple of Gene Simmons steal a faberge egg, are double crossed by a space junkie, who turns out to actually be a space Mormon -who wears Odo's cousin around his neck- and everyone takes a trip to the least turbulent "vortex" in the galaxy. Does that make sense? No? Listen and figure out just what the heck I'm going on about. Plus: "Candy Man Caveman" and Wade's self loathing.
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Uh oh. Hope you like the Ferengi. Our dang podcast title and artwork feature them so we can't throw stones. Wallace Shawn guest stars as a wrinkly talking "coin purse." Ferengi Juggalos!? Wade gets off topic and weird about Andrea Martin. Manservant Punk Rock Ronald Reagan. Education and racism are discussed, among other things.
OH, and hope you like My Dinner with Andre, cuz Wade finally watched it for the remix, and he's insufferable.
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In this very special "remix" episode James provides the long hidden secret behind Move Along Home and its writers. Then later he shares some of his thoughts on why it works in ways that later "bad" episodes of Deep Space Nine don't.
Julian gets possessed by the ghost of Hannibal Lector doing a bad Bela Lugosi impersonation. Maybe?
Hugh tries to do a voice in this episode, and regrets it four years later in the "remix" portion of this episode. Also: Some background on Technobabble
There's gotta be a reason for what happened in the episode we talk about. Just how are we supposed to feel about that character, anyway? And we introduce "Angry Nerd Corner" (Wait, that's this whole show, right?) Go check out Hello Cruel World by the Tall Dwarfs... for no reason.
Dax is on trial. Or rather, a deposition or something. Stick around til the end, when Wade reflects back on this early episode and where the pod goes. Plus what other podcasts that might be coming up.
How do you fix a character like Maria?? Well, you make her a good character but don't make her try to impress anybody. But OH WAIT. We're talking Dax here. Not West Side Story. This is actually a good episode. LISTEN! (Was somebody drunk when they posted this description?)
It's a Q episode! Stick around for the end when James looks back at his feelings on the episode, DS9, and podcasting in 2015.
Everyone's favorite (or least favorite) Trickster Space God boards the station with Picard's ex girlfriend to help remind you this is a spin off of that Star Trek show you really liked. Remember? Nudge nudge. Wink. Come for the TNG characters, stay to hear us talk about Ferengi sex practices, and vent our transporter frustrations. [Editors note: Oh, and yes we were wrong about the 3 life forms issue. It was the egg. We got it.]
Run! It's the most dangerous game, and the most dangerous way to re-listen to a pod from four years ago. Wade podcasts stuffed inside a box. Hugh looks back on the episode.
Garak is actually introduced. Things get turned around. Terrorists and Spock are discussed. Hugh reflects.
Garak is introduced. Lets revisit the second episode and cringe at what doesn't work and think about what does. Future-James reflects some on DS9 and what kind of stories we might want for future generations.
Don't trust linear time! It's all just one eternal moment to the prophets, and here we are back at the beginning. Welcome to the Rules of Acquisition remix. It's the same ROA that you may know, but this time we're giving you some additional commentary on how it feels to travel back in time and listen to versions of ourselves from those before-times, back when our innocence was still intact. In this episode Hugh will fill you in on how this works. Welcome to The Rules of Acquisition! A podcast where we’ll be reviewing every. single. episode. of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Heres... THE BEGININAGING Who are we? What are our histories with DS9? And most importantly-Why are we doing this? All these questions and more will be answered.
Plus: Linear time, and don't trust Picard with your loved ones.
[*NOTE: Tried a little more fixin this version, but the sound here is of three guys just figuring out how to record this podcast thing. But, hey the content is still great! There have been mics that come and go and we sound a bit different as time goes on. Go figure.]
A change in format! Hugh talked to listeners about the sexiest of Scottish Ghost Candle Stories, Star Trek: The Next Generations "Sub Rosa"
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Voicemails?! Remember those? So do we!
What has happened since last we updated? How have our lives changed forever since we finished watching every episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
What else is in store from Kickers of Elves on the RoA feed? Hugh has some deets. What is The RoA Remix? What is this about these TNG roundtables?
Is this the end voicemails? No!
First Ben from the UK has a bone to pick with us on the episode “Valiant.”
Jeffrey from Virginia (The Guy Who Hates Worf) has some valuable insights on Starfleet’s approach to counseling.
Eric from PA (@Aerialbass) isn’t here to tell James to get his head right, but … he does have some things to say about our Season 6.
Warren from Seattle (@10rant) finally turns on Bashir.
Jackie from New Orleans is also an expert, on a topic some of us may have gotten wrong in “Times Orphan.”
Kennedy from NY has some thoughts on Section 31. Our favorite subject to rehash over and over. How far is too far with the dark pragmatism for us?
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We’ve gone through every. single. episode. of Deep Space Nine. Now what?
Where’s the White Album for Season 7?
We go into details and reflect on the thesis of the podcast and where we ended up with that.
Wade did a White(ish) Album, and tried to pull a “How would we fix it,” all the way from the begining of the pod to fix the ending.
What is Star Trek DS9 actually about? TNG vs DS9: What is the “best” Star Trek that holds up overall? Would we have different conclusions if we went through other Star Treks the same way we did this one?
How have we changed since the start? What kind of arc and journey have we gone on?
Who is the creative villain of the show for the podcast? The MVP? How right were the actor’s instincts when compared to the writers?
So what about the “faith” the show was concerned with representing?
Ranking the writers. How bout that Robert Hewitt Wolf? Trainspotting: God, what a movie.
What have we learned.
Looking back on Past Tense and the power of stories post 2016.
Lots of talking about storytelling in this one.
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The Last DS9! Buckle up for a long ride and prepare to say goodbye to your space friends. Does the finale hit all its marks? Half? Enough to be effective and make you a little emotional at least?
What great shows is this finale closer to than we are now? Flight of the Concords for instance came out closer to the DS9 finale than we are to FotCs. The Sopranos is just starting up. Where were we when DS9 concluded?
Are we sad to see our space friends go?
Julian breaks up with his boyfriends.
Does Garak have the most well executed arc of any character throught the course of the show? What characters were best served?
What’s the story behind Sisko promising to return eventually? What other shows show such strong father characters?
Is the last segment of the show a bummer? What happened there? Did Avery Brooks send Alaimo to the hospital?
How bout those matte paintings? Those space fights hold up better than some other Star Treks’ space fights *cough* Discovery *cough*
What was the point of all of this war? Did the Borg ruin Star Trek by making it about Big Villains? Does the Dominion have as strong a core Idea behind them? Do they have a less compelling argument than Thanos?
What was the reason the Changelings sent the Odo and the 100 out anyways?
Smudgin spots. Obrien’s on a tenure track.
Do they feel at all like their not coming back?
That Bajor plot, is peppered in but…
Who’s hangin out at Vic’s?
Is sex grandma the only founder in the quadrant? Weird how we don’t see the wormholl at all this entire episode.
How much more show could they have fit in if they cut down Vic’s song at the end?
Is O’briens hurt shoulder a callback? Why was it the highest priority to get him to sickbay?
Which scene is just like the Rocketeer? Remember the Rocketeer?
Who are the fire cave scenes for? Give us a call while you can if it’s you.
How’s Kira in this? Who’s she working for in this anyway? Did we need a scene to tell us? Where’s Willie Mays Sisko?
Have a laugh at the futility. Weyoun is pitiful.
Damar gets a moment.
We get confused about ranks and Bajor.
Andrew Robinson always knows what to bring.
Pour one out for the dead cardies. 80% of liking someone is having a good time. These captains should smile more. Garak doesn’t have much to smile about however.
All the most monumental things happen in the conference room. Treaties signed on paper. Of course this is from a WWII speech.
Now that it’s over… back to Vic’s! For a song! And a Worf bit. Jadzia only gets one mention all episode, even if she was at the wrap party at Vic’s.
Sisko fights a balrog. It’s all about the bum rush.
Also: One year from Lord of the Rings films.
Still, it ends without ever seeing the big hole we need.
It’s a nice closing shot for the show though.
With the episode finished, a little reflection on the show:
Are we satisfied with the core characters’ conclusions?
How much of Star Trek is defined by “space friends”?
Did the show feel Julian was entitled to a woman?
Worf’s ending is nice, but does it conflict with his position in the movies?
Why do we think tertiary characters come off so well?
If this is half baked, is there room for a Grace Cut?
Everything is theoretically interesting to revisit. Want to see an 8th season? Is our answer different (are we different) than 3 years ago?
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The end is nigh upon us! The Ferengi are getting a new Nagus! The Cardassian rebellion has been crushed! Or has it? The Alliance Fleet has to make a decision.
What was Peter Allan Fields contribution? Nobody’s saying!
How do we feel about where this leaves some of our characters? Rom, go on Chapo! Quark, Sam Malone, and Making Ferengenar Great Again, and Jim from the Office.
Is the Ferengi story of DS9 topical to our current time? Does Quark want to roll back Obamacare? But why talk to long on that when we can talk about the BEST storyline: Dax and Julian?
Cartoon characters and anime.
What’s with all the extra stuff in this? Throwing a few favors to the crew in the last days of disco? Is that why it was so dark? What with the best director of romance in all of DS9?
Fleamarket jewelry. Helping folks sell on the convention circuit.
New ship, who dis? Fan service. Is it right to just throw them a new Defiant like that?
The Terrorist Gang on Cardassia. Why is that guy names Seskal? Really? Seskal? That sound like anything to you?
Is Mila Garak’s mom or not? We know “the books” say, but what about the show?
No mention of Dukat. All your bases are [destroyed] by us.
Can you even believe the fake Dominion news? More topical content!
The Dominion makes a good point about the timidness of the Federation that is actually proven wrong pretty quickly. Did this ep seem to secure in the victory?
Odo takes James and Hugh’s side in last weeks Federation/Section 31 argument.
Is it an accident when Sisko wears his vest from Pale Moonlight? How can we reconcile Star Trek with ideals we want it to hold on to? Back on comparing DS9 to A Few Good Men.
“I’m pregnant,” male birth control and the best acted scene in the episode.
Missing links aren’t pretty. How does this penultimate episode hold together thematically?
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Miles and Jule’s excellent adventure.
It was the best of Julian, it was the worst of Julian. Sloan gets caught! Via exxxtreme measures. Oh, and Odo is dying.
Putting to rest whether Julian is a good physician.
O’Brien, reduced to a wingman, or something more?
What imaginitve vistas could have been? What do the writers dislike about this episode and what does Wade love? Speaking of love… Forget about the Cardassian plot, this is all Bashir and Obrien.
Odo is Scarecrow, or an essence-drained muppet.
Ok, the “You love me more than your wife” scene… How gay is it? And how appreciated can it really be? A soupçon of gay panic? Do LGBT viewers like that scene? Is it ok to enjoy it? Should marginalized viewers “take what you get”?
Why do this stuff at all if it’s not indicative of who Miles is as a character? Can one enjoy this episode while also agreeing that Miles and the rest of the O’Briens are underserved? How did Colm Meaney feel?
“Sadey sit sir” What?! Star Fleet would never do this.
Do the writers realize enough to talk about systems? It’s time to argue more about Section 31! How much has Section 31 hijacked the franchise? Is it a cancer corrupting it? Is Section 31 an aberration or baked in to the Federation now? Even if it is in trek currently, is it baked into the Federation of Trek in 1999?
Is what Section 31 injected into the Dominion similar to what DS9 injected into the Star Trek mythos? Is Star Trek redeemable at this point? Should anyone even bother? Jeeeeeeeeez man, what has this podcast turned into?
William Sadler is pretty great, right?
President Joe Camel, remember him? He got mentioned.
Does Discovery still haunt Wade? Should we want new Star Trek stories or just new stories? Another debate! Look at that tunnel. Follow the light! The ol’ switcheroo is almost effective. Should there have been more thematic resonance to Tale of Two Cities?
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Odo is sick. The Klingons and the Alliance have a problem. Empires of all sorts must change or be destroyed. Have you tacked before?
Tacking into themes.
Bobby Moynihan Cardasssian: What’s his actual name?
Oh wait, is this the culmination of the post TNG plot for the Klingons? Worf: Avatar of regime change.
Clicking Clocks and ticking tocks.
What was Voyager going to do with these characters anyway?
Does it make sense to withold information from Sisko or not?
Is this a lesson to why stories are broken differently than they used to be? How much blame [or praise] goes to one person? Do old tv writing habits die hard? Does the momentum start and stop? Can you expect the pinnacle of prestige drama writing from a latex forehead show? What would a DS9 showrun by Moore have looked like? What if we watched Babylon 5 back when we weren’t jaded critical jerks?
A Frank Oz-ian Odo. Still the least earned romance? How about Bashir?
Three hundred years of Section 31 being hidden, huh? What was that, Discovery?
Obrien, at the end, reduced to a wingman. Quark who?
James wants a “warts and all” documentary.
“Do whatever it takes.” Gowron’s got to go.
Sex grandma wants to kill everyone.
DS9: First to coin the term “thot.” Bye, boy. What kind of BDSM are cardies into?
Peter Daou Worf. The system of empire is broken. American exceptionalism is over? Who expected that of Ezri? Don’t you hate it when Star Trek gets political?
Imagine if we got Priscilla Presley vorta back?
Good on making your sex grandma bait work, DS9. Worf takes off his badge; watch out! Would this fight have worked better with a more elaborate set?
Does Wade’s opinion matter at all if he hasn’t watched the Star Wars prequels?
Mexican standoff with meat grindered Odo. Remember Ziyal, three Dukats ago?
Hey, how bout ending on a theme?
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Dot dot dot. A lot is poured into this episode.
Kira joins the faculty at terrorism school, Julian digs up some Section 31 dirt, and more!
Did this episode take interesting concepts and make them tedious? We’re divided!
Was there a better way to get Kira into a Starfleet uniform? We gotta go back to what we said about non agression pacts.
These shows love to get outsider characters into the uniform.
Did the writing get backed up in the room again?
Does this episode at least start getting the pieces in the right place?
Is just dipping into dark pragmatism a copout if you don’t follow through on the questions? Hugh gets heated and doesn’t realize how far ahead he’s watched.
Rehashing Odo points we’ve had since the beginning of the podcast.
Obrien: Wingman > Family Man
Secondary thinking and the lack thereof.
Gowron comes out like Morris Day. Tying off the greater Klingon soap opera.
Cup of Goo: Getting stem cells from Odo. Remember when stem cells were controversial? Last week?
Oh Solbor. These Winn/Dukat scenes suffer without you.
John Hughs movie Miles finally calls out Julian for unethical medical practices.
The 90s had a lot of AIDS allegories.
Connecting the dots to Julian’s section 31 spy plot. Space House.
Remember Benjamin Sisko? Imagine Admiral Mike Star.
StarFleet values are so impeccable, any breach by a member is unthinkable unless a traitor.
Assessing how some of our opinions have changed with the times we’re in.
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The Dominion War and Books.
Ezri and Worf get home. Earth is attacked. Solbor! Nooo! Oh and something happens to the Defiant.
The one with all the research.
Arrested developement and juvenile culture. Tabletop!
Why no Jim and Pam- ing? Superstore can do it, why can’t DS9 Sam and Diane at all?
The pepper burning scene? We’ll give ya that one.
So everybody still takes the husband’s name in the future, huh?
Poor ol’ Solbor. Dukat, Q, and the Great Awakening. Who is Kost Amojen again? Hit the books for the evil LSAT. Should Star Trek stay away from mystical religious stuff?
Real men also cook. Kasidy gets a little more dimensionality. Is Sisko wary of losing another wife? Is that giving too much credit?
Angry Nerd Corner: Doesn’t Colonel Kira have other responsibilties off of a Federation bridge? What is the status of the Bajoran/Dominion non agression pact?
Danarys kinda forgot about the Bajoran fleet.
Can you put pit stains in a Cardassian suit? Booze sweats?
Bobby Moynihan Cardassian and chump-ing your way to success, the Damar way.
End of the first writing chunk of the finale.
Is the Breen attack on Earth anticlimatic? What about the Defiant?
Is Jeffrey Combs the glue holding this arc together?
Since when do Cardassians not plot?
Worf as Hitch is… weird.
Odo? Who’s that? Marriage changes everything they say.
Solbor Scooby Doo s Dukat. Episode MVP! That’s So Solbor. Nailed it!
Louise Fletcher is an Oscar winning actress. What does she have to work with here?
Dated FX aside, it feels like a fleet going to battle in a way other Treks don’t always pull off…
How is Sex Grandma like Dr Evil? Are there too many unforced errors by the Dominion team?
Damar: #Resist. How little have they showed off Ops over the course of this series?
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Part Three of the final arc! Ezri/Worf: Still captured. Dukat/Winn: Trouble brewing. Sisko/Kasidy: Marriage is war? Damar's story is getting good.
The episodes run together. Kai Ratched becomes a satanist.
Who was giggling while writing this? Understanding mature relationships. Who’s getting cocky?
Frank Langella, now there’s a man with chemistry.
We make some Game of Thrones comparisons.
Three plots to tangle. Written by committee?
Damar, we love you.
How much does this retread earlier episodes’s plots?
Exploring Worf/Ezri some more. Any better than Winn/Dukat?
More on how are we seeing DS9 this watch-through. Is this trying to hard to not be your father’s Trek?
We’re going to get some flack for demeaning Star Trek as historically not a character driven show, aren’t we?
Thot Gor.
Clear and concise storytelling.
Toxic views of marriage: What’s good for for Klingons maybe shouldn’t work for humans.
You really want your lead blessing mothers? Why not something a bit more humanist?
Why hang upside down? Best way to puke?
Seduced AND betrayed? Worf is a weird Klingon. Was this compelling for repressed Star Trek fans in the 90s?
All the zoomer kids LOVE SCTV jokes. Whom amongst us isn’t a Pee Wee Head.
Kira, U up? Nevermind, I ain’t about that.
We do like some things about the Ezri scenes.
Odo, Quark, where are you?
The worst end chapter hook so far?
We know the Pah Wraiths are bad, but why again?
Why are they doing so much better with Damar than other characters?
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Sisko's space mom doesn't want him getting married. Kai Winn gets a gentleman caller. Ezri gets a love interest she's barely talked to in any of her featured episodes. All the plots have romance. Yay?
Dukat has a plan. What is our least favorite part of this episode? Is this a Dan Brown novel for Wade? Is everyone out of position for the end?
So what is going on with Kai Winn? How clear is the writing? I’m sure you nerds can tell us. How can we untangle what we know about this show we saw before?
Wade drags an actor and feels awful for it, whether they has it coming or not.
Do Cardassians sleep in their KISS costumes? Why don’t they spend more Dominion time with Dukat setting up his story? Wade is frustrated, and switches roles with James.
A less appealing love story: The Ezri Triangle.
Has truly NO ONE ever seen a Breen without a mask? Let’s think back… BREEN FACTS!
Dream interpretations are deployed… to an effect. Could that effect been been done with… talking?
What is going on with the romance plots?
What scenes have Julian and Ezri even had together?
Was breaking Odo the point of no return? Shouldn’t he be a bigger player in this by now?
How did the plot get shuffled around in the room? What exactly is the religious story saying?
Is this losing some of the humanism of Star Trek?
What is Wade’s mutant power?
Solbor: The best Ranjen. What’s a ranjen?
Kai Ratched has a type.
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It’s the final countdown y’all. Worf gets lost. Sisko gets some land and also engaged. Plus there's a war on.
They’ve dabbled with serialization, how does DS9 kick off the longest arc any Star Trek had attempted? What approach did the writers take to assembling the story?
What mandates and rules did they have to adhere to?
Setting aside the rewatch meter.
What kind of shows have we soured on over the past several years?
Why does Star Trek keep screwing up romances? More on that next week.
How’d these scripts get broken?
What plotlines are in this ep, and what about other important characters who presumably have a part to play in the endgame?
How much does “destiny” take the agency from characters?
Ok. How do Starfleet officers own land? What’s up with that? How normalized is the Federation now? Is there still room for luxury gay space communism?
Did Kasidy get shortchanged this ep?
Cranberry Sauce and The Simpsons.
Is Damar the only real dude in this story so far? Has anyone on Star Trek had a serious addiction?
Skin shaming. Wade should be ashamed.
Ezri’s one man show acting.
Is starting the story circle here at a place of comfort a weird beginning? D&D doll furniture and diamond rings.
How mucf of a bummer is Worf/Ezri?
What just do we know about the Breen?
Don’t count out Wade’s Seal knowledge.
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In times of war the law falls silent. WE DO NOT.
Julian is contacted by Section 31 to run some spy shenanigans at a conference. We end up discussing more than just this episode, and trying to decipher if DS9 overall is portraying a hard moral philosophy or not.
This is a Jean le Carre story apparently?
What kind of moral position is Deep Space Nine trying to sell us? Three options are posited: Cold War “Dark Pragmatism”, a sacrifice of one's own moral actions in the service of preserving Federation idealism in trying times, or nothing at all and they’re just making this all up from episode to episode.
Are Sloan and Ross making the same case that Sisko does “In the Pale Moonlight”? Does Bashir as the point of view character give us the show writers’ opinion?
Is moral ambiguity in storytelling overrated? Is it just putting on “smart face?” Have our feelings on the idealism of Star Trek flipped since the time we started the podcast?
What does the DS9 have to say about ethics?
Is this show just ISB karaoke? Even the RDM episodes?
Is Ross finally “the good admiral,” or does this episode say otherwise?
How many episodes of DS9 even deal with these kinds of moral stories? Did it all start with ItPM or was it hinted at before?
Did shows even have thesises that firm in the 90s?
This episode at least did, right?
How much of the show does this ep make callbacks to? Where did Ronald D. Moore get the title for this episode, and what does it have to do with Lincoln and Habeas Corpus?
Cicero and Rome is brought up, but NOT in reference to the Romulans.
Where does the saying “never say die” come from?
Did Spock’s dad have Tuvan syndrome? What’s a Rigelian? Aw man, what kind of Trek podcast are we?
Oh look, a Voyager.
And a couple of Bill and Ted alumni.
Is this at all a Zach Snyder morality?
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We got holodeck shenanigans. Sisko has good reason to not want to go to not visit the 60s. We revisit the career of beloved actor Mike Starr.
Waitaminute. Do people not like Vic? Finally: An episode not based on an old movie, right?
What was the reason behind the memorable Sisko scene in this?
The “jack in the box” concept is interesting.
A TJ Hooker connection! Spencer for Hire!
Were the music levels off? How bout that sinister piano?
More Mike Starr. Imagine if he were Admiral Ross.
Who knew “cheech” was spelled “Cicci”?
Oh Felix. Worf ain’t here for Vic. A man after James’ own heart.
1994 was a good year for Mike Starr.
Is Sisko a bad boyfriend? Does his widower status affect his relationships?
Is this a good enough episode for something we don’t care for?
An emmy for hairstyle.
How do we feel about Sisko’s stance on romanticizing the 60s? How can we talk about these things in our modern climate and in the future?
1999: Mike Starr was in Summer of Sam and West Wing.
Wade hasn’t seen some movies.
Who played Zemo? What did one old movie contribute to cinema maybe?
Gowron? Where? Sy Onara.
Sisko’s singing. Where’d that alamo song come from?
A “fine” Tennessee heritage.
Mike Starr was in Billions just last year.
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Odo meets one of his people, and their intimate relationship causes some tension with Kira.
Sex vibes for days.
For all that creators have acknowledged in the DS9 doc and elsewhere that the show could have done better with LGBTQ issues, is this episode an example of exploring those questions? Or more about marginalized identites in general? We may not be the best equipped to talk about it, but we’re gonna try.
What favor did the fx guy do for this episode?
How much more mileage could they have gotten out of Laas as a reoccurring character instead of Vic?
Does the shows opinion on “humanoids” differ from what Star Trek usually expouses? Are we doomed to make “others” out of people by our own DNA?
Is this the most meaty episode we’ve had in a while?
We stumble into a few Nerd Corners.
Have we really not met any more of The 100?
Oh yeah, this is Martok. Who is he impersonating in order to seem condescending?
Everything is The Link. And sexual.
Why don’t we do it on the promenade?
Laas may be a jerk, but he’s not wrong. Is the science on his side?
Are the Founders on their way to being classic Star Trek Space Gods?
Is this an important bridge on Odo’s arc to where he ends the show?
Does this episode echo important gay stories being told at the time?
Hate to do it, but we have to talk about alien genitalia. The Orville gets mentioned. Go to https://archiveofourown.org/ if you need more.
Is Quark’s pep talk the advice nobody actually needs to hear from well meaning people?
Is Laas Larry Kramer?
Is it weird that the Klingons are pressing charges?
Good ol’ Cavey.
Is there a “goof” with the Founder’s disease? Is there a book that solves things?
If you can’t goop with me at my solidest…
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A killer is on the loose, but does it take a killer to catch a - oh this is something we've seen before.
What is the bad part of this episode? Is there any part of it that isn’t just a take on Silence of the Lambs?
Did Anthony Hopkins ruin 90s villains with creepy slow talking?
What does it say when Davey Crocket scenes pop the most?
What’s going on with Vulcans this season? What’s going on with the writer of this episode?
On the DL at the Alamo.
Would Hector Ilario’s late night be written different post #meToo?
Why use a projectile gun? Does every writer have a pet transporter gimmick? How ethically dubious are real x ray goggles?
Nice melon. Bad safety procedures.
Ezri vs the Chris Evans roles.
The Rite of Voq Emergence. The mechanics of talking to former Trills.
The “Who’s gonna win Ezri” subplot this season: We don’t like it! Sexualizing vs sexuality.
Zem Brott and we found Star Trek’s poly relationships!
Do we really need toxic abusers or is that just for contrived plots?
Are all these movie homages damaging the show? Did Babylon 5 find a way to avoid these kinds of problems? Just HOW Silence of the Lambs did this start? Is there anything else in here?
Does anyone have the ability to spy on anyone on DS9?
Was Ezri just a placeholder for the endgame?
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The Nagus is Missing in the Alternate Universe and Quark and Rom need a cloaking device for the Regent.
It’s the final Mirror Universe episode of Deep Space Nine, and we couldn’t be more upset.
Two of our favorite things. The Mirror Universe PLUS Ferengi shenanigans!
Get ready to talk about evil bisexual tropes. Hugh was right about problems in the mirror U since season its first reappearance in DS9. Now in Discovery they’re still doing it.
How many episodes are going to start with “we haven’t heard from X in a while”?
Did this do some interesting things with Ferengi religion and spirituality?
Is Quarks horniness more character assassination?
Which is the best Mirror ep? Aside from the original. Oh sorry, “Alternate.”
Is this show making fun of its fans? Does it have senoritus.
Remember “Vulcan Love Slave”? Remember all the coworkers’ doubles that Sisko slept with?
How bout that object work from Max and Armin? What did it take to carry an invisible object?
Wait wait wait. Not-Hologram-Vic and Sloth Plisken?
ISB, Boogie Nights, and Zach Snyder.
Did The Last Jedi rip off a character from this ep?
One thing James didn’t hate about this episode: Brunt.
Tugging on ear hairs: Ferengi sex is gross.
You take care of your Nagus. It’s just what you do: Anarcho Capitalists love for authoritarianism.
Hey, Andrew Robinson was in this. Why aren’t we seeing more Avery Brooks lately? Just how intimidating is he?
Why again, do we want to go to the Mirror -sorry “Alternate”-Universe? Did it lose the original thread? Do people want Benny Hill shenanigans? Get ready for our new podcast!
What is Kira going to do to the Regent that’s so stimulating? Thanks Joel Esterhaus, for the 90s obsession with sexy domination.
James has a second nice thing to say; this time about Nicole DeBoer.
If they know this is the last season why isn’t the show closing doors?
Back to sexual politics and harmful tropes.
Apropos of nothing: Tilda Swinton is great.
What do we think about comedy in these things? Stay tuned for Yakkity Saxuality!
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O'Brien is missing from Deep Space Nine, and also from most of this episode. To find him Ezri must go home to face her family and the ... the toxic effects of capitalism?
The sequel that definitely nobody asked for.
Not even the writers apparently. What happened here? Who is owed an apology?
Audra Come Home.
Where does this episode sit next to other season’s low points?
Is this episode actually a nuanced critique of capitalism? Wade, your audio is going in the penalty box for that take.
Do UFP citizens live in a post capitalist society or not? What is the Federation? Are not all Trill Federation citizens? Why would anyone leave it? Is Ezri’s mom a Ron Paul fan?
Finally, in season 7 of our multi year podcast, we try to figure out what the Federation of Planets defines itself as.
Bilby? Ok, but what about this new character? Sorry O’brien.
Bobo Jessica Lang. The Godfather? This is a mess; all hands on deck.
James misses his friends. What exactly is this Star Trek again? What is its thesis? How is our relationship with the show shifting?
Is Ezri the new Worf?
Does Miles have a thicker accent?
We get some Trill world building. Is Ezri’s family a Bret Easton Ellis novel? Did Ezri become the black sheep by joining? Whoah is her brother a creep. What kind of mediocre brother is her other brother like?
People who relate to Dax’s pronoun confusion deserve better.
Imagine if Norvo were like Brenda’s brother on Six Feet Under?
Jambi!
What was the problem with Bilby’s wife? Was it worth this?
Follow your passion, or become a sad broken murderer.
Is it our fault when our brothers get turned into murderers by Capitalism?
Who doesn’t love a good matte painting? Make it happen Wes Anderson!
Has there ever been a good Orion Syndicate episode in all of Trek? How might that work?
Apologies again for Wade's poor audio on this one
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Nog has some very understandable issues to deal with. Maybe we do too?
Is this the best holodeck episode ever? Is that damning with faint praise? What makes a holodeck episode anyway?
Vic Fontaine. Oh Vic. OH MY, how some people hate you.
How does this episode’s representation of a hologram character exist within the entire Star Trek franchise?
How long til the show smartens up about the swinging 60s?
What was the original pitch from David Mack way back in season 2?
Even with Vic disdain, there is a lot that this episode does pretty well. Aaron Eisenberg for instance, is pretty great in this.
What if Vic’s club was “Snoop’s” instead?
What, no space-fentanyl?
Is Kesha a traditional Bajoran name?
What video game is Nog playing?
Remember when Obrien was the favorite character of the writers? Or Sisko? Even Garak? We’re sorry, Keiko.
That breakdown scene is good, but what do we three idiots know about combat?
Continuity Corner: Where did Worf go in the middle of this episode? Insurrection!
How would we talk about Vic in an ethics class? Calvinism for holograms.
Who hasn’t played Animal Crossing? What kind of gamer are you even?
Billy Corrigan and the Saddest Kid in the World.
For all anyone’s quibbles, this is the kind of episode that sets Deep Space Nine apart from other Star Treks.
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Hey remember how cults were all the rage in the 90s?
Kira Nerys does. Should she be more ready to disengage from Dukat's tiresome shenanigans at this point?
What cult is this? Koresh or Applewhite?
Say what you will about this, it has a hard target.
Dipping into a warm bath of cults. The Jesus Movement vs more repressive religion of the 80s/90s. Heaven’s Gate Aum Shinrinko and Raelians.
Heaven shopping on the promenade.
Is Dukat’s arc starting to fray at this point?
When did Kira’s Sunday school teacher become a Satanist? How does this tie into Qanon?
Are these targets too easy? James asks for both sides of the issue.
How does Dukat resemble a scandal plagued preacher?
Lord forgive me, I gotta go back to the old me.
Wade is a dummy who can’t remember Jared Padalecki’s character on Gilmore Girls.
Cardassian baby facepaint, fake babies, and what’s up with this baby?
Would Kira be less messy and dramatic in a more serialized show?
How can an intelligent person believe some of this hokum their culty religion is pushing on them when it’s obvious where dat baby came from?
Some pah wraith world building with Paradise Lost.
Corman-ing in the airlock.
The writer bashing you’ve come to expect from the RoA.
Hey, the title of this episode actually makes pretty good sense.
Why Fala had to die. What if HBO made it?
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War is hell. Sisko and crew get put in the middle of it.
What does the end of History and the 90s have to do with this episode? WELL WE’RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT.
Salts vs Boots. Tuco Salamanca! Will Robinson! Neoliberalism!
Why was this such a hard episode to get made?
Is this a facile argument about war in general? Is the question of whether the war is just or necessary an important one to ask for this story?
Contrast this to City on the Edge.
Framing alien species against humans. Does Quark here epitomize an ideology that we’ve grown beyond?
Hell is for Heroes. And that ain’t us. Heinrich Colbe has some cred though.
Leave Worf out of this one.
Remember PCU?
Does this suffer for the lack of Star Trek aspirations?
Is the sermonizing about war is underthought?
Rule 34 again: War is good for business.
He almost changed the line. Nicole wasn’t going to beam crouched.
What songs do the troops play before battle?
Oh Vic. Some of us hate you. Star Trek even turned the Beastie Boys into Vic Fontaine.
Is Tuco Vargas? In praise of technobabble.
Turns out with an episode this good we have to critique what it says, not how it says it.
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You guys, Martok HATES Kor.
When Kor shows up at Worf's drunk in the middle of the night and asks him to do a favor so he can die with dignity, what is a bro supposed to do?
Progressive Left vs the old liberals: Worf is Peter Daou.
This 90s show is all about post Trump politics, right?
How many people or characters can we compare the cast of this DS9 episode to?
What are the sexual mores of Klingon culture?
Klingon military school is like getting into West Point back in olden times.
We’re still unsure what a Dahar master is.
The house of Kor, past and present. Future? Maybe not.
Oh, that Dax B plot. Not our favorite. The questions one gets tired of answering. What aspects of Dax are the writers retreading?
Did Jadzia’s non warriors death get expunged?
How entwined are Kor’s accomplishments and his noble bloodline?
Klingon Tucker Carlson?
Peter Daou stories are Worf stories.
Mean Girls in the cafeteria.
Oh yeah? Take some Shakespeare, bullies.
Remember Bobby Bacala? What if the Sopranos… no, nevermind.
That Ronald D. Moore can put a script together, even if it is a basic “blaze of glory” story.
Martok doesn’t like people eating in his car.
Wade wrote down a lot of Klingon. Nunek!
What does Armin Shimmerman have to say about Quark this season? What do we?
The past was so fraught, we’re scared to just name some characters.
Klingon Social Security and suicide squads. We’re going to disrupt dying in battle.
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What happens in this episode? [See title of episode]
The final installment of the Ferengi Pickers Cycle. Kira’s boyfriend also gets an interesting story!
Does DS9 actually do faith ok in this episode?
“Back massages,” huh?
Do the Ferengi’s crony capitalism superpowers have any place in the Federation?
Is Sisko being a jerk captain here?
The individuality of clones. Do we have trouble waiting for a third act turn that didn’t come? Defect; Defective.
Female Changeling, you look rough.
Rule 168: Keep it on the DL. What is Ferengi gay subculture like in a repressive society?
First set of ears? Ferengis are gross.
Vorta creation myths and religion discussed.
Only a god would ever think to hide by going on silent running. Wait. Does Odo need to breathe?
A pause to throw shade at Discovery and fandom maintenance.
Vorta’s have an off button.
Kira [and the writers] have a good take on religion and faith.
Think they may do even more stories about her boyfriend? Be nice to Weezer fans, y’all.
2309: A good vintage for bloodwine. Ok, let’s talk about capitalism and profit in Nog’s scheming. What is Ferengi culture’s endpoint? Some aliens can’t get enough cancer.
Is DS9 screwing up my luxury gay space communism?
Could this have been a 5th season episode?
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One Flew Back to the Cuckoo's Nest. Do Re OH NO.
Julian brings a patient out of a catatonic state and what's the first thing he does after?
Julian. Your ethics, man. Has he learned anything over the seasons? How toxic is the masculinity? Are we supposed to be rooting for him or not? How does Miles feel about Julian’s situation?
Consent. Do they have it? Did Julian seek it hard enough?
Was there actually a story about the expectations we put on women and the assumptions men make? Or was Wade making things up about this episode and stretching the bounds of what the writing can allow? Was he overthinking it? Speaking of overthinking:
Is accusing someone of “overthinking” an episode a dead end that negates any discussion or is it possible to harp on one detail too much ?
Oh boy, we get back into the ethnoship debate. You thought it was over? Nobody can escape the ethnoship. Forget it Jake, they're just better than you.
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Most of it may not even be about ethnoships!
A haughty Vulcan challenges the emotional Sisko to a game of baseball and we got us a shenanigans episode, y'all! But what's this about an ethnoship? Take me out, please.
Secrets of Rom.
A premise well deployed.
Wait, not the Bad News Bears, but… was this based on an old tv show?
An… ethnoship? Oh boy we’re gonna talk about racism.
USS Vidal Sassoon.
Is it a weird message if the superior Vulcans end up overpowering the diverse non Vulcans?
Buckle up!
Does this episode show a different approach to the Vulcans than other Trek has embraced up until this point?
Is it presumptuous for the nerds writing this show to suppose that winning a sports game isn’t the most important victory?
#SolokCancelled
What is the nature of the truth in Kasidy and Ben Sisko’s relationship?
How many ways can James talk over, not listen to, or make assumptions about Wade’s points? [Hi, Wade wrote these notes].
Now, what does memory alpha say about ethnoships?
Is there any merit to a story that shows victory in defeat?
Closing up facts:
Wait. WHO is Cirroc Lofton’s uncle?!
Black hats. Padres and Yankees.
Chekhov’s Fancy Dan.
Federation anthem?
Manufactured triumph. Here here!
Just when you think you’re done… MORE ETHNOSHIP.
Even if it’s not analogous, is it a problem if someone reinterprets a story to make racist analogies?
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Does Ezri Dax even want to be on Deep Space Nine? Well of course she does, but the show needs an episode to integrate a counselor into station life. Garak and Worf especially have some issues to deal with.
Is season 7 back on track?
James wants more punch from the scripts. Are James and Hugh overly demanding?
Bashir: That Staring Guy.
For a brief scene it turns into a John Hugh’s movie.
How was the script thrown a curveball by the later casting?
Is new Dax a manic pixie?
Does Sisko misuse Starfleet shenanigans to promote someone who isn’t ready? Wait. Do counselors have medical degrees?
Does Sisko need more grief counselling?
What works about Ezri and how could they have gone further differentiating the character? Bee Arthur Dax!
“This Delta VIP lounge, where I died.”
Why would you fight the lionizing battle of an unjust war perpetrated for empire?
Gross Quark and Julian is gross.
Is Garak more normal than he used to be?
How weird is Sisko again? Does it take for granted the Dax/Sisko relationship more than we do?
Oops, Garak broke again.
Hugh loves ear sex stuff.
Were we lacking more of Worf’s perspective? How might his story have been milked differently?
New trope! Worf has a problem? Get the bloodwine, O’brien!
What happened to cagey Garak? Does DS9 sacrifice character for story? Does Andrew Robinson rise above it? Reptile brain.
NOT based on an old movie? How about that?
Odo and Kira: Creepy old couple.
Have we said they need women on the writers staff? How would Shondaland have made this work emotionally?
James has a “How would we fix it?” to repair the last scene with Dax and Worf?
How are we approaching DS9 now that we’re older? How much have we aged or changed since the podcast began? Give us a call to let us know what you think about the show. The robot voice is getting weird.
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We learn a little something about Ben Sisko's origin. OH, and it's time to spend more time with that "Ezri Dax" that showed up at the end of last episode.
Research: Website coming soon.
Ezri: No stumbling out the gate on this one.
Would we have still preferred some stunt casting? What was the thinking behind another Nicole De Boer’s casting?
What does Quark actually contribute?
Never apologize, even if you’re Worf?
Has Star Trek and DS9 been missing counselors since TNG?
What if they’d actually gender shifted Dax?
Admiral Ham Scully?
An appreciation of techbobabble.
Good ol’ desert scenes. James loves ‘em. How does Brock Peters feel?
Damar drinks kanar. Is he unhappy? (yes).
What is the environmental impact of destroying part of a solar system? Should there be protests? Mercury? We got no respect for ya.
Is Admiral Ross not supportive enough of Kira?
Vic gets replaced with a Mike Hammer refence for this episode.
Quark hears about gagh whilst in a klingon coffee shop.
Does Sisko’s orb vision of Benny Russell cheapen “Far Beyond the Stars”?
Last Temptation of the Emissary?
Good pacing and a plan comes together.
Finally figuring out where Sisko’s specialness comes from. Is he a god, or just the tool of gods? -Sorry, noncorporeal wormhole aliens.
How did all the plots relate to each other, or did they at all?
Who dies offscreen?
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Season Seven commences! Sisko is off the station again and everyone is trying to deal with the catastrophes of season Six. What will the final season of Deep Space Nine entail?
The new status quo. Odo … is fine.
Killing who? Film-what? The Go-bots of streaming services.
Religion again. How topical!
STEMBOLTS.
Worf’s grief. What’s a Klingon to do? Not be Liam Neeson, that’s for sure.
A compliment for Behr.
A Romulan with personality?
Obrien with Scocth. Damar! With Kanar.
Sisko plays Skyrim. Did Sisko’s Cajun Kitchen change?
Worf is not a merry man. Does Vic get better with repetition? What happened to the reset button?
The Bechdel Test gets passed again. Feel like that merits mentioning.
Just what is it like being around Avery Brooks?
For the love of Romulans. Are they more well adjusted than Vulcans? Boomers, man. An idea for Discovery.
A couple of nice minor acting moments.
I need more pads. For piddling.
Nice, believable politics.
Clams, not potatoes. Point: Wade.
What do you think about Sisko’s white robes? Is it a thing for anyone?
The Jackie Brown of season openers.
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Our White Albums for Season 6! It's that time again, where we each cut a full 26 90's season of television into a concise modern 8 to 12 episode series.
Turns out we line up pretty well. What did we keep and what got cut?
What happened to Dax in this season? Did we keep any Ferengi episodes?
No Half Measures on serialization. [Ok, and a few minor knocks on Discovery].
Hypothetical: If you could get rid of the worst episodes of this season if you also had to get rid of “Far Beyond the Stars,” would you make that deal?
How far can unearned confidence take a show?
How much do we remember going into season 7?
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Season Six is over! Does it die with a bang, or a whimper? The Dominion War reaches a crucial moment. This is not how we want to say goodbye to our space friends.
Are the pieces rushed into place? And does this episode wrap things up satisfactorially?
How many of the pieces here are nothing we want to watch?
[Just a small bit of argumentation]
Did the creators overestimate how invested we were in some of these stories?
What is the big choice Sisko has to make?
The least anemic thread of this episode!
Isolating story threads and rushed serialization.
What kind of hero’s death is walking to church?
How hamfisted is Dukat shoehorned back into Cardassia’s good graces?
Is it just to hit religious themes harder?
What was in the original script for Jadzia? Did they blow all the budget on a Star Wars space fight? Is that why Dax got short-changed?
Manless warfare in the 24th century (and late 90s).
Was Brooks on melatonin in this ep?
Muscles or Potatoes? Vests, vests, vests.
Nerd Corner for when Sisko passes out on the bridge.
Real convenient for Dukat to just show up, huh?
Do all the Dominion scenes go against sense and reason? A lot of good people on both sides.
TV and pat solutions to logical problems that fail to satisfy,
What is the very least effort that Jadzia deserved for a sendoff?
Is it a shame that the prophets’ “death” is the more consequential?
But hey, the final season is now set to begin with a big change in the status quo.
Faith, science, and religion: Should Sisko struggle more with it? What happens if one of us has a body to bury?
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Sisko and the crew become best friends with a voice on the radio.
A return to A plot/B plot structures. And some adventures in the beta quadrant.
We pretty much liked this episode. The 500th episode of Star Trek across all its series.
Who’s that voice?
Kasidy Yates, we missed you (but maybe Sisko didn’t?).
Star Trek finally highlights the bad parts of socialist countries - with Odo’s over reliance on regulations.
How do you know you’re in the Vegan sector?
A new Bashir? Again? A character always in the shop.
Lisa Cusack: A refreshing interesting character for a guest voice. Why not do that for other characters?
A heavy dose of foreshadowing.
Spoilers: We revealed a certain secret ages ago.
Preoccupied Sisko LOVES ipads!
Why do writers write so often about therapy?
Sidebar: P.T. Anderson and The Master.
Does the advent of ubiquitous internet have any bearing on how this story developed?
Ol’ Cavey gets a blue wet makeover.
That B plot, did it have a twist? It’s earnestness throws us for a loop.
“Woah Jeff! We didn’t realize it was this bad!”
The 285th Rule: Another human cliche.
How is Odo broken again? How has he fundamentally changed from the core identity of his character?
Setting up the pieces of this season and setting up for next episode. Making loss mean something.
Is Tom Paris like Julian Bashir? Homer Simpson?
Poor Harry Kim.
We're nearly on the same page with this episode. How do you feel?
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Molly falls down a space-well and comes out ten years older - and pretty damaged.
Must O’Brien suffer, or must we?
Are the writers taking other meetings at this point in 1998?
Is time travel boring? How many of these portals are there just lying around?
Is this a typical Star Trek episode or does the family angle make it something else? Does it being a rework of a TNG idea mean anything?
The B plot: Written after the fact.
What does “uninhabited” mean? Does Molly’s feral-ness make any sense?
What was the original pitch for what happened to her?
Why not relocate to the planet since the holosuites are always booked up?
“This is [Space] Us”
What are the temporal morals that Star Trek episodes expouse but also break every time?
Should the O’Brien’s get a dog?
What are some more “Star Trek” ways to do this story?
Where’s the Doctor Who prop hiding in this episode?
A sidebar on Kelvins and the Kelvin Universe.
Does the Federation not have any drugs that could be more helpful for an anxious troubled child?
None of us are big fans of this episode, but some parts of it bother us more than others.
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Ferengi women get to wear clothes and Quark gets a sex change.
This episode, for all its faults… they only get worse with age.
All the great actors that get dragged into this…
Starting off, the episode is bad enough, and the end ain't any better.
How easy is it to compartmentalize and quarantine these bad episodes away from the good ones?
Comparing ISB to Moffat.
How do the showrunners stand by this one?
But what can we say nice about this one? Some of the makeup?
Addressing a problem with Ferengi society we’ve brought up in earlier episodes.
What’s it say when a phone bank scene may be the highlight of the episode?
What did Alexander Siddig do to try and redeem the episode, and did it “ruin” the fun of the episode?
What happened to medical ethics again?
We try to wrap our head around viewing this episode as marginalized people instead of 3 straight cis white guys -and fail utterly.
Are there any ways they could have fixed this episode, that could have opened better story opportunities?
Just when you think this episode has done enough, bring in a little gay panic.
Going full Weinstein, even moreso than the cold open.
Is there a documentary about the problems of this episode and this season?
Did this episode think itself daring and progressive?
Where does it stand among the worst Star Trek episodes? Worse than Threshold, the Voyager slug episode?
“One of the great classics of Star Trek” .
The offensive hubris of well meaning white men.
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Jake and Nog, behind enemy lines with a buncha teens!
Cadet Kelly Clarkson?
What starts off looking like a NohJay Ferengi Nagus episode takes a wrong turn and detour into a muddled mess.
Remember Star Trek The Motion Picture? Oh no, we usually keep that talk of certain horrible things to the Hashish and Superiority pod.
Is it the writing or the acting that's the worst culprit in this episode?
How many ways could this have been made better? How bout we Rashomon this mofo?
Just why is this guy a bad captain?
Comparing season 6 to season 2.
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See, we still do voicemails!
It's been tumultuous in the back half of season 6. We hear voicemails from Greg, Warren, Adam, and read some emails.
Can we get our minds right?
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Reckoning with a Bajor episode that goes full Ghostbusters.
We get on a Kim Kattrell tangent. Hugh Crawford does the math. But wait, it’ll pay off later in the podcast.
Instead of our regular polar opinionsA decidely mixed bag of an episode.
Odo reduced to “the good boyfriend.” Is the Nurse Ratched cadence infectious to other actors? Hey, remember those Pah Wraiths?
Without Mad Men would we have a John Slattery Admiral? Seems like we’d rather talk things other than this episode.
Why doesn’t Sisko get more political power or utility out of being the emissary? Is Sisko unrealistically weak amongst the Bajorans?
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There's a new self aware Hologram in the world of Star Trek. Deep Space Nine gets its resident nostalgia laced crooner and self help guru. Vic Fontaine, ladies and gentlemen.
First off. What we liked about this. Then… all the rest.
A self aware hologram? What makes him so special and different from Moriarty?
Who is the brain genius auteur responsible for this?
Remember swing? Is this a boomer episode?
Who shot down the production until they final were able to cast this episode?
How do the actors feel about the relationship finally kicking off?
What does she see in him? How much of her side of it is missing?
What are other ways to hook them up? Space drugs?
We wrangle with season 6. Can we figure out what’s going on?
How toxic is it to overly romanticize things, such as the past? A common Star Trek problem?
Does this predict incel culture? Shakaar: Total Chad.
We take a small break to do a mini Gilmore Girls podcast before wrapping it up.
Are we too tough on Vic? On Odo and Kira? Ira Stephen Behr?
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What is there to say? Is it the best Star Trek ever? Again?
Sisko looks straight into the camera and details some dark deeds.
Does this do anything to the dream of the Federation? Is it too good to make any of those complaints?
What IS the Federation based on? We try to lay that down at the beginning. Are there systems the Fedration offers that make people better? Was there some Grinch-ian transformation we all went through?
Really though this Deep Space Nine episode is just so well done, so does all that stuff even matter?
How was the original pitch for this? What role did Jake play in the orginal script? What was the last element added?
Lodge 49, temp services, and that guy you hire under pressure who is maybe not the most reliable.
The 98th Rule of Acquisition! Been a while since we heard one of those.
A cut scene with Dax.
The roles we know Vreenak from. Or that actor anyway.
We have some disagreements over a damaged data rod. James takes Peter David’s side.
That last scene, huh? All the good lines are taken.
The episodes we’ve been talking up the most are over with. Where do we go from here?
Hate this episode? We insist you call. The rules say so.
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