Janja Lalich, Ph.D., Professor Emerita of Sociology, is an international authority on cults and coercion. Researcher, author, and educator, she specializes in recruitment, indoctrination, and methods of influence and control. She is a cult survivor herself and has been studying the psychology of controversial groups for over 35 years. She joins the fellas to go in depth about the real meaning of charisma, the stigmatization of former cult members, trauma effects and recovery and of course how her own experience in surviving a cult has played a role in her years long study into something so important.