Matt is a wanna-be chess nerd. That's right, when Matt isn't working on No Meat Athlete, hanging with his family, cooking, or going to the gym, he's geeking out on
chess.com tutorials. And that's probably exactly what he should be doing. It's easy to get so caught up in work, family, and other obligations that you never make time for yourself, and when you don't make time to do things that bring you joy, it's hard to bring joy into the other things you do. In today's episode, Matt and I discuss the importance of hobbies, what makes for a good hobby, and why we think they're so important.