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Hello dog lovers we are in for another great Wag Out Loud episode as Rita Hogan, Canine Herbalist is here to share some very important knowledge. And today we're going to be covering Herbal Solutions for Pancreatitis in Dogs. Rita, Could you please introduce yourself and share how you got into the specialty of holistic canine herbalism.

Um, as Krista said, my name is Rita Hogan and I have been an herbalist for approximately 19 plus years. I learned farm herbalism from my father and I picked it up again. When I was about 29 years old, I started working with dogs. And because I had a pre boarding facility, and I just saw all these really sick dogs coming and boarding with me. And I just knew there was a better way. And I just kept looking at all the similarities between all the dogs. And it was, you know, kibble fed diets, lots of over vaccination, lack of exercise, just not any preventative care. And so I started working one on one with those clients. And it just built from there. And here I am.

Well, we appreciate you being here. You're awesome. Thank you. And if people haven't caught Rita, I mean she speaks at conferences and she is a regular contributor to Dogs Naturally Magazine, one of my favorite periodicals. So Rita is so knowledgeable and we are so lucky to have her here. Rita, I was telling you before we hit record that I selfishly wanted this topic because my dog Winston has had pancreatitis, and it was awful. So why don't we first start with what exactly is pancreatitis?

Well, the pancreas is a little organ that's near the liver and it is responsible for insulin, how insulin is produced and utilized in the body, which is not, you know, the facet of pancreatitis. And then it's also responsible for creating enzymes that break down food. And those enzymes travel from the pancreas, to the digestive system, the stomach, and they're not activated, okay. So they kind of like are shielded, and they go down the chute into the stomach, and then they get activated in the stomach, or what happens with pancreatitis is those enzymes are activated before they get to the stomach. And that is not good, because what it does is it leaks these enzymes into the stomach and small intestine. And these enzymes eat the tissue on their way down. And they that causes tons of inflammation. It can cause internal bleeding. It definitely causes tissue damage with premature cell death. And we don't want that and it's very, very painful. Because those enzymes are eating tissues that they're not supposed to be eating. And you got to get everything to calm down because of the extreme pain and get the pancreas, the pancreas to work again. Right? Because when the enzymes leak into the abdominal cavity they eat through its lining and they damage the digestive track and we don't want that to happen, because you can't reverse that right? Well, you know, you can heal the mucosa for sure. But if it keeps going, they could eat right through it, which would be a terrible situation. But the problem is, is it's very painful for your dog. And you know, people get pancreatitis, and they can tell you that is some of the worst pain.

I know that if pancreatitis is not addressed, that it can really lead to serious consequences, like you mentioned, internal bleeding, cell death, organ damage. So there are two types of pancreatitis, acute and chronic. Can you tell us the difference between the two?

Yeah, so acute pancreatitis can sometimes just happen like one time. And it's usually something you never forget. And it comes on quickly, but it can be very severe. It also can have very mild symptoms. So it is just a disruption in the pancreatic activity, but it doesn't usually happen multiple times. And when it starts happening multiple times, it becomes chronic. Okay, and chronic pancreatitis is when a dog gets pancreatitis more than one time. And it's also usually an enzyme deficiency. And you see it in dogs with nutritional imbalances and that have low absorption that don't absorb the nutrients like they should, or endocrine disorders. And those type of conditions lead to the pancreatic insufficiency. And then usually you'll see an entire imbalance in the entire digestive system, which includes the liver, pancreas, and spleen, and the gut. So with chronic pancreatitis, you're going to address all of those things.

And is it true you were mentioning nutritional imbalances, so what are they low in vitamin wise?

That varies, it's just completely varied. But one of the things that is different with chronic pancreatitis, Krista is that a lot of times it can be asymptomatic, from like, just like this obvious perspective, right? Like, just like when he's a little, you know, he's been a little weak, but, you know, he looks normal, he's doing everything normal, but some of the symptoms of chronic pancreatitis, one of them is a dog that, you know that yoga move the downward dog.? A lot of times dogs with chronic pancreatitis, do the downward dog a lot. And they also arch their back a lot, like more than normal. And then they tend to have like a lack of appetite. They don't feel like eating a lot, a lot. They can have irritable bowel syndrome, they definitely usually have chronic loose stool, and they do chronic vomiting, and chronic loose stool and chronic vomiting, aren’t like vomiting, like on a Tuesday, three times, that's not chronic is they vomit, you know, often throughout the month, and they have loose stool throughout the month. It's consistent. It may not be every day, but it's consistent. And that can also be a symptom of chronic pancreatitis, where acute is just so much more severe and you'll know your dog, you know, they kind of go down. Yeah. And they definitely a lot of them need acute pancreatitis. A lot of them will need vet care for the first couple of days to manage the pain. And then you can bring them home and deal with it. If it's severe. And if it's not severe, then you can manage it at home.

Well, as I mentioned, Winston had it. We were camping. And he got something, you know, something he ate there at the campsite that was left. He was so sick and obviously in so much pain. He was doing the Down Dog and the up dog and hiding in the closet and whimpering. So I always thought it was just eating too much fat that triggers it. But there are other causes, right?

Yeah, there's lots of causes. So just to go through a few. Kibble diets are a huge one. high fat, like very high fat, like if you you know if you kept giving your dog let's just say the Grizzle off of a pork chop. Okay, that could cause pancreatitis, or if you kept giving them let's just say that you gave them all the fat off of your bacon. That could cause pancreatitis, Poor fat. can cause pancreatitis like treats that are made with like canola oil, or peanut oil. Not necessarily peanuts, but peanut oil is very processed oil, being overweight, over eating in general. And one of the things lack of exercise, lack of exercise, the average American dog gets 15 minutes of exercise per day. Which is Sad but true. That's the average. Yeah, proper nutrition, vitamin and mineral deficiencies. disease and that's pretty much across the board that you know, everything's connected in the body, the dogs and ecosystem. So when things start to get off balance, the pancreas and spleen are very temperamental. autoimmune disease can cause pancreatitis. Usually it's chronic pancreatitis, being hypothyroid can cause pancreatitis. Some pharmaceutical medicines, especially anti histamines can cause pancreatitis, stress, painkillers, NSAIDs, both all can have an effect on the pancreas.

So with all of those causes, it must be a pretty common ailment. Right?

Acute is quite common, actually chronic Not, not so much. But acute. Yes, definitely. Quite. I think it's pretty prevalent.

And I think I read that diabetic dogs tend to be prone. But it can also be the other way around where pancreatitis can also cause diabetes.

Yes. And diet, because there's already an imbalance in the pancreas. diabetic dogs usually suffer from chronic pancreatitis. So, especially when I would say, within one to two years of having diabetes, or leading up to being diagnosed with diabetes.

So we take the dog to the vet, because they're obviously in pain. They've been diagnosed with pancreatitis, given fluids, pain is controlled, and then we bring them home. So we all know about this Show that we like to explore natural, holistic treatments. So you're saying that herbs can definitely help. So what is the best way to care for our dogs holistically Once they're home?

You want to look at your dog as an ecosystem, you want to kind of just take a step back and say, How did this happen? Right? Want to look at what your dog is eating. Now. You want to look? Have they gotten like your dogs, it got into something. So you kind of know, like, Oh, that's probably what happened. But you want to do a little assessment. Some people automatically start feeding their dogs, there's kind of two camps, where you fast and rest your dog’s system for about 20 to 48 hours, kind of giving, you know, electrolytes and water, the vet might give some sub q fluids. And then there's another camp where it talks about an alternative theory that you shouldn’t rest the pancreas. And if your dog is vomiting, you should feed them small meals, and kind of forego fasting. So there's two camps in that one. I say, you know, do what's best for your dog, they'll definitely let you know right away what what's gonna happen, and then you start giving small amounts of like bone broth, or you can cook for your dog. If your dog eats raw, that's fine, too. And then you start looking at herbs and homeopathy or supplements that are going to help the healing process. Okay. homeopathically like right away, I tend to give a homeopathic remedy called Aconite or Arnica. 200 C for the inflammation and the pain, and then gently massaging your dog is also good. The entire abdomen. kind of getting the kind of getting it flowing. And then I start administering herbs. And also we make sure that they're on a good diet. Dr. Judy Morgan, I don't know. Yep. Okay. So Judy has a book that talks about cooking for your dog. She has a great, what does it begin? Yin & Yang Nutrition for Dogs: Maximizing Health with Whole Foods, Not Drugs. Yes, she has a pancreatic diet in there that I have used for quite a few dogs in my practice. That is good for that, you know, kind of like that coming home from the vet. And it's nice. It's a nice neutral diet. She has one of those in her book. That's a good source. You want to just make sure that they’re kind of eating neutral foods, you want to get them back on their feet. And then we go for herbs. So here I'll just go over some of the herbs that I like for for different types.

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Great. So a couple things to keep in mind. There are remedies for chronic pancreatitis and there are remedies for acute pancreatitis. Okay. One remedy that I like for chronic pancreatitis and it is a this is definitely for the beginner like someone who just wants to try something out. It's a herbal formulation called GastroElm, and it's I believe it's GastroElm.com, and it's a mix of slippery elm and I believe there's marshmallow root in there and milk thistle and just maybe some licorice root. It's actually really good for dogs that are prone to pancreatitis. So that's a good one to try out right off the bat. Not so much for acute but for chronic pancreatitis. I do like that blend. And again, that's GastroElm. Okay. So single herbal remedies. Okay. When there is acute pancreatitis, I like blackberry leaf, and I use what is called a glycerite. So it's a glycerin based extract of blackberry leaf. And it's really good for inflammation. And it helps dogs get through an acute situation of pancreatitis. the glycerine extract, I would use 4 drops for extra small dogs, 6-8 drops for small dogs, that like a pug is a small dog. And extra small probably like a, you know, a mini Chihuahua. 10 - 12 drops for medium dogs. That's like Springer Spaniel. 15 - 20 drops for a large dog. That's like a golden retriever or something bigger, like a big lab, and 20 - 30 drops for anything bigger than than a lab, like a St. Bernard. Okay. And that really helps with any type of bacteria and inflammation in the gastrointestinal tract. A remedy for I would say, acute and chronic pancreatitis that I I love. And the only thing you don't want to use it for dogs that have had seizures, but it's called black currant gemmotherapy. And it's ribes nigrum is its Latin name and you can use it for an anti inflammatory. It is wonderful in chronic cases of pancreatitis along with acute, it helps with inflammation. It is a tonic for the entire digestive system, it increases the immune system. It's really high in antioxidants. And you can use the 1:200 which is what you're mostly find in commercial searches for this it's called black currant gemmotherapy, You will use 8 drops for extra small dogs, 10 - 15 drops for small dogs, 15 - 20 for medium, 20 - 25 for large and 25 - 30 for extra large dogs. and you give that two to three times a day, two times a day for chronic and three times a day for acute. and then you can adjust the doses to see what your dog's doing.

Another one that I really love and this is for acute pancreatitis. Okay, so what could be one for a dog like yours, Krista is called European Walnut and this is also a gemmotherapy. Gemmotherapies are based on plant stem cells. So they treat at a cellular level. They're using the embryonic buds and shoots and barks of plants. So this one is from the European walnut tree. And it's really good after and during an acute pancreatic attack. Okay, it helps strengthen the pancreas. It brings down inflammation. It also helps support the liver which we need to do and it helps heal mucous membranes and it also helps regulate insulin in the pancreas. So it helps balance out the blood sugar because sometimes that can be affected during these types of episodes. Another thing I like about it is it helps balance intestinal flora and regulate which is very important. during an acute attack it regulates pancreatic enzyme production. So, you would use a 1:200 gemmotherapy. 8drops for extra small dogs, 10 - 15 drops for small dogs, 15 - 20 for medium, 20 - 25 for large and 25 - 30 for extra large dogs, and that would be given twice daily.

Another nice, easy to use remedy is ginger. And these are for dogs that aren't like if you think your dog is a little warm, you don't want to use ginger. But if you don't think if they're not in the Oh yeah, my dog is so warm all the time category. Ginger is really good as you make it as a tea in hot water, let it sit for about 20 to 30 minutes and give just small amounts. Usually dogs will sniff it that are in need of it and actually just drink it. If it's nice and cool. They know that they need it. But the dosage for it would be like one half teaspoon for extra small dogs, One teaspoon for small dogs, Two teaspoons for medium, one tablespoon for large and two tablespoons for extra large and you'd give that as needed. And it really does help with that and sometimes pancreatitis can cause nausea.

Another thing for chronic pancreatitis is you always want to help the liver. You can give milk thistle for that. GastroElm uses the milk thistle for chronic pancreatitis. I also like there's a company called Adored Beast. Yes. And I really liked their their Liver Tonic. It's a nice glycerine based liver tonic. with chronic pancreatitis, you always want to make sure you're supporting the liver. So I like to use that as well.

Another remedy that is in the https://www.gastroelm.com/ , but can be used for acute and chronic. So you use it by itself for acute. It's slippery elm. And that really helps coat everything it soothes the gastrointestinal mucus, if there's any has been any damage. So it's going to bring down the pain, it's going to support the the GI system. It's safe for long term use in small amounts. And I just really think it's a good one and easy to use at home, you would just make a kind of like a grool by adding just adding a little hot water to the powdered herb and you add a little added at a time so you get a grool. And then you just give it to them by the teaspoon. So one teaspoon for extra small dogs, two teaspoons for small dogs, one tablespoon for medium, two tablespoons for large and three tablespoons for extra large. You kind of give it as needed, you'll you'll notice that it's it helps improve it right away. And it's just a really soothing remedy, especially if again if those enzymes are eating tissue. And let me think if there's anything else to consider, like right off the bat. So that's about it. I mean, those remedies are really good.

And when you say give them how are we giving them Is it a tincture? Do we put it in food? Do we put it directly on their gums or in their mouth?

Okay, so good question. So for the BlackBerry Leaf, that's a glycerite. you're going to just put it right in your mouth, okay. And the black currant is also a glycerin extract. It has a little a small amount of alcohol and glycerin. You just put it right in their mouth. It tastes actually quite good. Let's see what else other the European walnut is also a liquid right in the mouth. And if your dog won’t take it in their mouth, put it on a little treat or in in some type of food. The ginger is a liquid. So that's an infusion, it's like a tea. You're going to put it in the mouth or have them drink it. Milk Thistle. You can use a glycerin extract for that you can put it right in the mouth and as a powder if they're eating you can put it right on the food. slippery elm is going to make a grool. it's kind of like a thick, a thick liquid very thick liquid. You're going to have them drink it or give it to them by the teaspoon. Or you can put it in a little bit of a syringe with a kind of a thick tip.

And Rita as we were wrapping up where do we find these herbs? I know you mentioned the Liver Tonic from Adored Beast but the other remedies where do we find them and how do we know we're buying quality products?

Okay, so the gemmotherapies depending on where you live, in Europe, you can find them at shop.eu/en/">https://www.santi-shop.eu/en/ In Canada you can go to canada.html">https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada.html , which is a homeopathy site and get them there. Or you can get them from a company called https://www.herbalgem.fr/en/ . And the ones that I'm talking about on this interview are called 1:200 and they would be on the label. one colon 200 you can get them in In the United States from a company called Gemmo, you can get them from https://www.boironusa.com/ . You can get them from a company called Genestra or you can go to my website at https://www.canineherbalist.com/ , and I can get any of these remedies for someone, they just have to send me an email. And some of them are in my shop. Okay, what do you say that makes it easier just going to you one stop shop? Yeah, some of them are in my shop. If they're not listed, just send me an email. And I have most of them. I use a lot of the Phyto embryonic therapies in my practice, those are some places most people that make most companies that make the gemmotherapies are quality products. Okay, there's not a lot of them out there. So there's, there's a few companies and and most of them are really good. Awesome. The slippery elm and the powdered products, I like to use a company called https://oregonswildharvest.com/ . They make really, they have good sourcing, all of their herbs are organic. And it's Oregon's wild harvest, or a company called HerbPharm also makes good products except for they don't have a lot of the powdered herbs. And then there's https://mountainroseherbs.com/ , which is out of Oregon, they they're wonderful.

And just so everybody knows all of these links of all of these companies will be in the show notes. And if I didn't mention it before this interview came out of an article that Rita did in Dogs Naturally Magazine. So I'm gonna include that link in the show notes. So you have her exact protocol, you know how much and when and all of the How to administer all these herbs. So we are about to wrap up any last words Rita on pancreatitis and the healing herbs?

I would say just go slow. Always start at the lower dosage and work your way up. And if your dog is in extreme discomfort, bring them to the vet for pain management and fluids, definitely.

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Yeah, absolutely.

Great. So again, https://www.canineherbalist.com/ Rita, thank you so much for being with us and giving us this amazing information. We so appreciate you.

Thank you so much.