Josué Cardona 0:12Hit record before Lara falls asleep old lady Lara

Link Keller 0:20[honk shoo-ing noises]

Lara Taylor 0:23that’s not me maybe it’s all of us.

Link Keller 0:26honk shoo honk shoo.

Lara Taylor 0:29Because we’re all going to be old.

Link Keller 0:32We’re all having a little midday nap.

Marc Cuiriz 0:36midday nap sounds fantastic.

Josué Cardona 0:40Welcome to GT radio on the Geek Therapy network here Geek Therapy. We believe that the best way to understand each other and ourselves through the media we care about with you today in order of oldest to youngest, Lara Taylor.

Lara Taylor 0:55Hi.

Josué Cardona 0:57I’m Josué Cardona. Link Keller

Lara Taylor 1:00he’s only a month younger than me.

Josué Cardona 1:03Link Keller.

Link Keller 1:04Hello.

Josué Cardona 1:06I’m Marc Cuiriz.

Marc Cuiriz 1:08Hello, everybody.

Josué Cardona 1:11Age before beauty Lara, what is up? What are we doing? Today? What’s the topic?

Lara Taylor 1:17Listen, I went to go see the new Indiana Jones movie. And without spoiling anything about the movie, I can tell you that Harrison Ford is old and he’s in the movie. And there’s this theme of like finding your place he’s he’s passing on a torch. We’ve talked about that before with some several other things. But this like, what do I do now? Is obsolescence feeling this feeling old and outdated. It’s funny that I want to bring this up. And I’m like, it’s a way of me processing how old I’m getting because I’m going to be 40 this year. But according to link, we’re all turning 40

Link Keller 2:00We are all turning, even you dear listener, happy birthday

Lara Taylor 2:04no matter how old are.

Link Keller 2:05happy 40th birthday

Josué Cardona 2:07Lara Sorry, you had to skip your nap to come record? I know.

Lara Taylor 2:10I know. I know. Listen, listen. Most days, I do take a nap right before we record. I wake up 15 minutes before we record. Today I did not taking that because I was playing tears at the kingdom. But this idea of well, I’m getting older. And the funny thing is, according to people, I am still a young person. I am 39. And then when I hit 40, I will I will be I will no longer be a young person, but doesn’t mean unnecessarily obsolete. But I am feeling like it feels weird to have friends that are a lot younger than me. And I have some friends that are a lot younger than me. I feel like I’m keeping up with things. But you know,I don’t know

Josué Cardona 3:03We’ll test you in a bit.

Lara Taylor 3:04We’ll see.

Josué Cardona 3:05Yeah.

Lara Taylor 3:08I don’t know, Marc. Also, as our resident young person does not know all the things. I’m just throwing that out there.

Marc Cuiriz 3:16You know, you’re right. I absolutely don’t. This when you mentioned like friends like being a lot younger than you. That brought me back to when I worked at a trampoline like Park thing. And I was the only employee aside from the the head manager that was over the age of 20. And I was like, I think I was 23. And everyone else was like 15-16. And I felt so old compared to everybody and the things these kids were saying I was like, What? What are you What, what does that mean? And they would just look at me.

Lara Taylor 4:02Yeah, ya no, last year when I was volunteering at my summer camp, I had the realization that I was I had been going to that summer camp longer than anyone on the staff had been alive. And that was a weird sensation.

Josué Cardona 4:16can you say that again?

Lara Taylor 4:16I had been going to that summer camp longer than anyone on the staff had been alive. And I have some friends from who are on the staff. And one of my closest friends now is about to be 23 but this friend is very much into the idea that we’re all turning 40 Because he has a horrible back and it’s just like, You know what? I’m turning 40, too. So, there’s that

Josué Cardona 4:5042?

Lara Taylor 4:5140 also 40 also, T O O, not T W O um, but it’s just interesting seeing And we did get, I tried to ignore the fourth Indiana Jones movie. But seeing Indiana Jones who is this, like action hero, and he still is in this movie and the new one, but seeing him go from this younger guy to running next door to the neighbors and telling them to turn them fucking music down. I, I related to that very much, too much a little too much. And it just, it just had me thinking about where I am in my life. And like, I don’t know what it’s like getting old and changing times. And not necessarily being in my 20s anymore, because I haven’t been in my 20s for almost a decade

Josué Cardona 5:55or more almost two decades.

Lara Taylor 5:57No, I was in my 20s Literally 10 years ago.

Josué Cardona 6:02Right? I forgot how

Link Keller 6:04That’s not how math works, Josué. It’s okay, you’re turning 40.

Lara Taylor 6:07stop trying to make me be older.

Link Keller 6:10Math is hard when you become forty, everyone. look out.

Josué Cardona 6:15Yeah. What was it that you related the most to in the movie? Like that, that part of?

Lara Taylor 6:19I think, like right now I’m not at the age that he’s at. I’m not at retirement age. I’m not thinking about like, what do I do after my career? Although sometimes I get into this existential brain where I’m like, What am I gonna do after? Am I ever gonna get to retire? Absolutely not, because that’s not how the world works anymore. Um, but I did relate to, like, oh, things are changing. New generations are thinking about things differently. And I’m trying to keep my brain flexible and able to, like, at least see their perspectives. I’m trying to think of a good example of that, and it has escaped me. But I don’t know. I don’t know. I work with a lot of young people. They seem to think I’m young. Literally, I had a client tell me this week, she thought I was 28. So, I don’t know.

Josué Cardona 7:20But do you how do you feel?

Lara Taylor 7:23Old? I am tired.

Link Keller 7:2469!!! NICE!! But really, no, I’m so tired. And my bones hurt

Lara Taylor 7:32very tired. And my bones hurt. And I work on my house all the time. That feels like an old person thing. Like I’m working on my house all the time. Although, you know, I have

Link Keller 7:47have your little projects and your HGTV H G TV.

Lara Taylor 7:52And I sit in front of the TV crocheting,

Link Keller 7:55and you have your own recliner. That’s your spot.

Lara Taylor 7:58I do. It’s on the couch

Josué Cardona 8:00that’s not true, right?

Lara Taylor 8:01It’s all these things are true.

Marc Cuiriz 8:04I wish i had a recliner

Lara Taylor 8:05HGTV is on. Listen, Nina has the recliner. I’ve got the recliner in the couch. But we’ve had those for quite some time now.

Marc Cuiriz 8:18I will say my, my mother in law, she had a rocking chair. And the rocking chair was my wife’s. But whenever we would go over there, that was my chair. I always sat in that chair. So now it’s with us. And even though it’s in our bedroom, like when we bring it downstairs really when we need extra chairs or whatever. That’s That’s my chair. The rocking chair is my chair. It’s so nice. Has a little creak in it too. That’s just like it just sounds just right.

Josué Cardona 8:50So so I have not seen Indiana Jones five. I want to I’m a fan. I did see four recently. I liked it.

Lara Taylor 8:58I think I think fives like a nice little wrap up. It’s cute. I like it. It’s good action movie. And they de-age Harrison Ford in the beginning of the movie.

Josué Cardona 9:10I figured it so in 4 he was already 66 And I remember watching the movie at the beginning and saying Wow, he’s really old. He’s 81 now Yeah. So like retirement age. He’s like way past retirement.

Lara Taylor 9:26Yeah, yeah. Well, and then you think of there are a lot of other things the way Hollywood skews the way we see people who are older is very I just saw another another post about people saying that every that Aunt May in the Tom Holland movies. Spider Man movies was de-aged would they de-aged her or they made her younger. And it’s like no Mercer to me is the age of Ant Man. It’s just like they didn’t make her look like she was 80 and we don’t see that. It also comes to mind like Ming Na Wen is in her

Josué Cardona 10:0550s

Lara Taylor 10:06late 50s, though, and is an action hero still.

Josué Cardona 10:12Michelle Yeoh

Lara Taylor 10:13And yet, and yet I relate more to Harrison Ford in his 80s These women who are younger but but older than me and have aged very well. I don’t know.

Josué Cardona 10:32Yeah. Have you ever seen that there’s an Amy Schumer skit where the women are there’s like all these female actresses

Link Keller 10:42oh, last fuckable day.

Josué Cardona 10:43Yeah, yep. Yep. That’s like, oh, sorry. Hey, hey, Julia. It’s your day. You just put her on a boat. Send her off.

Link Keller 10:55that was a solid skit.

Josué Cardona 10:57Yeah.

Link Keller 10:58Especially like, obviously, the way Hollywood treats like ages in movies and TV shows like it’s already pretty skewed. But especially the way women are treated where it’s like, you’re, you’re allowed to be 20 to 30. And if you’re 20, you’re playing a high schooler. And if you’re 30, you’re playing that high schooler’s mom. it’s like, oh, okay, what??

Lara Taylor 11:26Or you can be like 70 or 80 and playing old rose in Titanic. Or, you know, well, I don’t know, Golden Girls. They were they were pretty young playing The Golden Girls

Link Keller 11:42they were like in their 40s and 50s. It’s wild to think about

Lara Taylor 11:47that is wild.

Josué Cardona 11:50But Harrison Ford at 80. You know, he’s like, oh, you know, he’s, he’s a little old.

Lara Taylor 11:57Yeah, when you think about like Paul Rudd is like retirement age like,

Link Keller 12:01God. retirement age

Lara Taylor 12:04is not a thing anymore.

Link Keller 12:07It’s not real.

Marc Cuiriz 12:09No one’s always overtired.

Link Keller 12:10That was a fun. That’s real in the same way that Indiana Jones is real.

Lara Taylor 12:15Yes. Yes. Yes.

Link Keller 12:17whimsical, fantastical, and non existent in the real world.

Lara Taylor 12:24Yes.

Josué Cardona 12:26So link, you, you don’t have to reveal your true age, how do you feel?

Link Keller 12:35I am 34. And I’m turning 35 in December, and I feel ancients. And also, like 28-29? At the same time, I apologize if you guys can hear the truck. I forgot to close my friggin window. I’m sorry. Sorry. For background noise. Um, no, I, I sometimes feel very old. Especially because I’m hanging out with a with a two and a half, almost three year old and you know, thinking about like, oh my gosh, you’re growing so quickly. Like, in two years, you’re gonna be going to school and then I’m like, [noises of disgust]. But then, you know, I’m also like, I’m not I’m not that old. Like, I’m older than my parents were when they had me. I’m significantly older than my grandparents were when they had their kids. I I feel I think, hmm. Yeah, you know, I don’t I don’t know. I don’t know. I feel I feel like I have aged more quickly, physically and mentally since COVID. Started, which it is not over yet. People. Please wear masks. And I feel like just the amount of time since 2020. It’s like, oh, it’s three years is 2023. That’s three, I can count. I can do math. I’m not that old that I’ve forgotten how to do math. I’ve got that under my belt easy. But it does feel like it’s been a decade. And I don’t know sometimes I feel it in my body. But I think it’s mostly just like emotional exhaustion at having to exist in America, as it currently is. And as I exist as a queer person and a Jewish person, it’s scary and that also makes me feel old. Because what is what is? What is younger than having no fear about the present or future? That’s a young people’s game. I’m old now, and I’m terrified all the time. That’s not true people. I’ve always been scared. AHH! yeah, I don’t know, I, I really liked the we’re all turning 40 joke because I feel like that encapsulates that experience of like the time dilation of the past few years. Where, like, the actual physical passage of time does not meet up with the way that my brain is saving information about this period of time. And that is a struggle. I think the we’re all turning 40 adds like a light heartedness to it that’s kind of fun, and also sort of brings us all together, like we’re all in this together. We’re all turning 40 This year,

Lara Taylor 15:58and it works out for some people, the 80 year olds who are turning 40, great, the baby’s turning 40. Sorry, sorry,

Marc Cuiriz 16:07it’s fine. I’m fine.

Lara Taylor 16:08It’s a great equalizer.

Marc Cuiriz 16:11Everything’s fine.

Link Keller 16:13Look you’ll, you’ll be so excited for your birthday. And then you’ll have your birthday party. And then the next day, you’ll Google what the fuck is a 401k. And it’ll be fine, you’ll be fine.

Lara Taylor 16:25It’s interesting, the way we’re talking about like time is the thing that the passage of time, and then how your brain relates. So because I talk to clients all the time about how time is a measurable thing. And it’s also a construct, the way we think about things. It’s sometimes time does not feel real, which is why we get so many time travel stories.

Link Keller 16:47Absolutely. And why so many of those time travel stories, the main theme, and moral is about being present and accepting who and where you are in your life and who and when the people are around you. Which I think is an important thing that we have to keep returning to because it is very easy to forget.

Lara Taylor 17:15I also think that is a theme of the new Indiana Indiana Jones movie.

Link Keller 17:21That tracks

Lara Taylor 17:22I’ll just throw that out there.

Josué Cardona 17:24It’s got time travel confirmed? You said no spoilers.

Lara Taylor 17:26I’m not confirming anything. I’m just saying, like

Link Keller 17:30being present is a thing

Lara Taylor 17:32being present is a thing.

Link Keller 17:35What about you, Josué? How are you feeling?

Josué Cardona 17:37I’m… I’ll share a story. my team at work. Were in a meeting recently. And I brought up that oh, well, I’m going to be 40 in November. And the other two people in the meeting. The first one said he would he’s actually turning 40 in December, and the other ones turning 40 in January. And I pointed out that, wow, I’m the oldest one here. And yet, it’s obvious that I’m the only one who doesn’t have kids because I still have all my hair and it’s not all gray, cuz one of those is bald and the other one has lots of gray hair

Link Keller 18:19damn, dragged ’em

Josué Cardona 18:26age wise, had a knee that was bothering me recently. That was a new thing. But I’ve taken care of that. And I feel feel pretty good. I don’t really feel that old. I have there was a point. I think it was earlier this year. With you know, the arrival of mainstream artificial intelligence. There was a time when I was like, oh, wait a minute. Is this it? Is this where like, I can’t understand. newfangled, you know, new tech, like, you know, I’m still using my, this my VCR that I can’t program.

Lara Taylor 19:09If my dad can understand AI. You can

Josué Cardona 19:17he’s like a handy electrician. And

Lara Taylor 19:20I know, I know.

Josué Cardona 19:22You’re basically

Lara Taylor 19:23he is he is he’s a tech guy. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like there’s no excuse. No excuse.

Josué Cardona 19:31Yeah. But I mean, I felt like that at the beginning of the year. And then I realized I’m still an early adopter and still pretty pretty current on most things. I’m just not as current as I as I used to be. Or at least not. I feel it in a way. But I’m still nowhere near other people my age. Like I’m still like the person you go to and even at work I’m like, my role is Innovation in artificial intelligence and all that stuff. So I mean, it’s even part of my job. But that was because I know this stuff. And so I still stay up to date on. And it’s a lot of things. It’s like the video games, the movies, and then the pop culture, right? Like I used to be so in tune. And sometimes I’m like, Oh, am I? What did Marc say? Is that a new? Is that a new word that people say? But it’s usually just marc making stuff up, because I’m on tiktok, I’m aware

Marc Cuiriz 20:33so I know, I hear random things on tiktok. I’m gonna use that and see what that sounds like. Yeah, and see how that works out for him.

Link Keller 20:41that’s very 40 of you. Oh, I had I had a moment the other day or a couple of weeks back, I guess, when Twitter was having issues and Reddit was not down. But the they shut off the AIP API. So other people, I don’t use the Reddit app, I use a different app. And so it’s like that was down and Twitter was down on the same day. And those two plus tiktok are like, those are the social medias that I use. And so I had this moment where I was like, This is it. I guess, I have to like, figure out how to do another like, am I gonna figure out like, what’s going on with Mastodon or, or threads? Or should I try Instagram again? And then I was like, Wait a second. I never did Facebook

Josué Cardona 21:32and you’re 40 now

Link Keller 21:332004 or whatever, when Facebook started getting really popular, and everybody moved off of MySpace and onto Facebook. And I was like, I’m just gonna sit this one out. I’ll hop back on on the next one. I was fine. You guys. I’m fine. So I was like, Okay, I guess I’m just mostly on Tik Tok. Now, I’m might try out Tumblr, I feel a weird sense of nostalgia for like the 2013 2014 Tumblr. That again, I have. I’ve never been a like, I’ve never had a user profile on Tumblr, but part of me is like, Oh, I missed the good old days. It’s very 40 of me. Um,

Lara Taylor 22:14I have a couple of younger friends like in their early 20s who are on Tumblr, because

Link Keller 22:19Tumblr is still happening I mean, there’s not a porn on it anymore, which I guess is a little disappointing, but it’s not really what I use social media for anyways. So I guess I’m fine.

Josué Cardona 22:29tumblr.com/geek therapy. So we I think we still post every episode there. I never turned that off.

Link Keller 22:33That’s fancy.

Lara Taylor 22:35I think therapeutic code is still on there.

Josué Cardona 22:37Oh, yeah. Right. Now I feel old, therapeutic code. Whoa, I remember that back in the day.

Link Keller 22:45I do have another recent story of being aware of my age, I went to a bachelor bachelorette party. And we’re hanging out and we’re doing fun stuff, and we’re having dinner and then it’s like, Okay, we’re gonna do some drinks. And then we’re gonna go to a strip club. And so one of the women there was like, Hey, I just want to put out some feelers like, are you guys? Maybe we could do some shots? And generally speaking, you know, 10 years ago, everybody in that room would have been like, WOO yeah, shots!! Very excited. Everybody was like, oh, yeah, I guess I could do one. Like, I’m into that. And so she was just like, well, you know, if you’re not feeling the tequila shot, we also have bubble water or liquid IV. And everyone’s like, Oh, I would like a liquid IV shot. I was like, Wow, this says something about us, I think. And then we went to the strip club and a dancer leaned over to me and said, Wow, you guys have such an alternative. Look to our group. I’m like, you can just say we look like a bunch of nerds. That’s fine. I thought that was really funny. That was a highlight for me. Sweet, sweet dancer being like, Wow, I’ve never seen 20 Nerds in here before wearing like, my Jurassic Park t shirt. Like, oh, people don’t usually dress like this to come here.

Josué Cardona 24:23Okay. 20 old nerds that that?

Link Keller 24:25Yeah, a bunch of a bunch of 40 year old nerds at the strip club. It was it was a fun time. But yes, the the liquid IV shots was very funny to me. That people were like jumping on that. Like, that’s a great idea. We’re doing that.

Josué Cardona 24:40Yeah. Alright, so so. I always remember when I was a counseling intern. You guys may not know this about me, but I can I can often be a little oppositional. I like to kind of argue a little bit, too. Little bit Spite is a thing that I never picked up fuels never fuels me. Yeah. And so I remember being an intern and thinking, all these people that are older than me, like what happened, like, I just went to school, I learned all this stuff, I’m really doing it wrong. And then I found research or it came up at school that said that, as you as as therapists age, they basically just stop relying on their training, and they become worse. But they think that they’re better.

Lara Taylor 25:33I think that’s the same way with driving too.

Josué Cardona 25:39Yeah, maybe

Link Keller 25:39I think that can be said for any skill set that requires like engaging with it in order to keep it like, up to skill level. And if you’re not engaging with practice, and that sort of thing. You it gets static and sedentary and

Josué Cardona 25:59yeah, no, I disagree in terms of things like psychotherapy, because you’re actually practicing it every single day. Right? You’re doing it, you’re just stopped doing it the right way. Like driving, right? Like driving, yeah, your knees, your eyesight, right, your your coordination, sports, like you can’t, you’re not gonna get better as you as you go older, right? Because you’re like, you’re hurting your body at some point, the return on your investment of time, and practice doesn’t work. But there are certain things like again, like, oh, you would think you get better, but it’s, it’s very much what happens with? Well, it’s a little different also than physicians, like physicians just don’t keep track of

Lara Taylor 26:44all the research

Josué Cardona 26:45all the research. Yeah, yeah. In psychotherapy, and I’m sure this applies to other fields as well. But in psychotherapy, it’s just like, oh, you know, like, oh, yeah, I don’t know, I figured this out. It’s fine. You know, and, and, but it’s the, what is that that Dunning Kruger effect? Is that the one that the more the less, you know, the more confident you are they you know? Yep. And yeah, and I think it’s absolutely that, right. And so I remember being at a stage where, right, I’m going to the Albert Ellis Institute, I’m like, living and breathing REPT it’s very, and I’m, and I’m learning from the people who, like learned directly from Albert Ellis, like Albert Ellis had just died a couple years before that. And until, like, they’re building this, right, like it is it is a technique, and it’s like, an actual way of doing things and very specific. And then you go on, and it was like, you know, what I ever do like this. It’s, it’s weird, but it’s something that I think about often, in just in general, I’m like, am I going to get worse as I get older? And I don’t, I don’t know if that’s happening in time in some areas. But it’s, but it’s something that I keep in mind, at least when when, like, we started talking about Indiana Jones, and yet I haven’t seen it, but even in four I was like, This guy is in his mid 60s. And this is pretty cool. Like, like, you know, like he’s, he’s, he’s fighting Nazis, he’s befriending aliens. He’s running around, like, there’s a whole bunch of stuff, that he’s having an adventure. And even though he acknowledges that he’s old, he’s still able to do and he’s still like, you know, whipping like a part of the roof and like swinging and it’s fun. And I, I have always found comfort and seeing portrayals of older people. Even just being happy and being healthy. And so now, like two years ago, I was at the best weight. I’ve been like, the lowest weight and the healthiest I’d been since I was in college. One year later, I gained all the way back and I’m not I’m still I’m still better off than I was two years ago. But I don’t, I don’t feel as great. But then there’s this feeling of like, oh, it only gets harder as you get older. And so I keep looking for those examples of, you know, shredded 67 year olds, or at the very least, who are who are able to do like calisthenics and stuff and right and you see them just like doing pull ups and it’s like, oh, okay, like it’s possible. And just seeing that as possible. And even if it’s fiction, just seeing that portrayal. Like I know it’s not real, but it’s still motivating.

Josué Cardona 27:12Well, mild spoiler. If you want shirtless Harrison Ford, you can get that in dial of destiny.

Josué Cardona 29:52Yes. So it harrison ford was in a show called shrinking on Apple TV. Which is Fantastic. I don’t think I’ve ever seen I don’t think he’s ever done a TV show before. And it’s really good. And in it, he plays a psychologist, clinical psychologist. He’s the like the owner of the practice of a group practice. And it’s funny he is like the old man in the room. He is the curmudgeonly old man and and it’s a lot of fun to see him that way. But it’s not. It’s not great to see him frail and developing Parkinson’s and all this other stuff that’s happening in the show. But I and yeah, I don’t even know right, like about to turn 40. Whenever you hit like those 10 years, right, like, it feels like a milestone.

Lara Taylor 30:48Yep.

Josué Cardona 30:49I’m like, I don’t know. 40 seems old. 40. Also, 40 is like a weird. This is a tangent here, but I’m hoping y’all have noticed this 40 is a really weird, like, crossroads. Some people really age around 40. And some people do not. I feel like you and me, Lara. We’re gonna, like, we’re gonna be we’re gonna, people will still assume we’re in our 30s for a while.

Lara Taylor 31:18And I’ll still assume I’m in my 20s so Yeah,

Josué Cardona 31:21yeah. And it has like, there’s still a youthfulness to you. I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know what’s gonna happen to me physically. We’ll see. But, but some people, like a couple years, I

Lara Taylor 31:30on the inside. I will feel old.

Josué Cardona 31:33Couple years ago, I went a couple of years ago, I went on a dating app. And I’m like, All right, I’m reaching 40. So I’m, like, you know, like, I’ll go up to like, I don’t know, 40 to 43. At first. I mean, the range of people was just like, incredible. And, and, I mean, you can see that right. Like people have married have kids. And you know, like, people who don’t.

Lara Taylor 31:55Yeah,

Josué Cardona 31:55yeah, yeah. And you can see how different it is. But this, this does feel like, like a turning point. And again, it’s just comforting to see. Like, I like tiktok a lot. A lot of tiktokers I see are older, I still am not referring to video games, a pop culture and stuff. I’ve been following ign.com Since it was super, super tiny. And some of the people are still there, right? Like, they’re, they’re in their 40s. They’re gonna hit 50 I’d be one of the founders is gotta be late 50s At this point, and they’re still talking video games, right? Like, they’re still they’re still invested in and there’s reminds me of when I was working with kids in New Jersey. They I remember a little girl was like you like video games? I was like, Who do you think makes video games? Just like, Oh, you’re right. It is adults. like kids. Kids don’t make videos. It’s like all those things are like reminders of like, oh, yeah, no, like we don’t have to sit in a rocking chair crocheting watching HGTV. Like, there’s other things that we can do as well.

Lara Taylor 32:59Yeah, yeah, I think about I mentioned my dad earlier. He just turned 75. And we think about other people his age and how if they hang around a lot of old people, they start acting even older. But my dad hangs out with people my age and younger and his grandkids and has fun. And I think like Link went to a Passover and you were at a Passover dinner with him. And he really enjoyed himself getting to be with the young people. And, and having a good time and laughing. Sometimes he rolls his eyes at some of our jokes. Because not necessarily because they go over his head, but just That’s not his thing. But um, yeah, the people we surround our with ourselves within the things we do can make us feel younger or older, I think. I don’t know. I’m never giving up the things that I loved as a kid. So I think I’m always gonna feel a little young at heart

Josué Cardona 34:00Okay, so to that point to that point, like, there are things that because we like that when we’re younger and we continue to like them when we’re older. They’re not as cool anymore. Now they’re old people things

Lara Taylor 34:14Yeah, I got that I got told that my vans that I used to wear I liked puffy skater shoes.

Josué Cardona 34:23That’s old people stuff.

Lara Taylor 34:24That’s old people stuff but I can get them from DC shoes. Yeah, but they’re old people shoes.

Josué Cardona 34:32Ol’ grandpa Tony Hawk wears vans.

Lara Taylor 34:38Marc as the young person What do you think about all this?

Marc Cuiriz 34:44I’ve never related to anything more than the things you guys have said that in my entire life. oh my i i swear like two o’clock hits at work and I am ready for a long nap.

Lara Taylor 35:02I’ve been there since I was your age.

Marc Cuiriz 35:07My my lower back hurts all the time. I constantly I used to never want to take naps. In fact, one when I, I can’t even really, I feel like I can’t even say when I was younger, because I’m still young. I’m only 26 I’m going to be 27. But I just remember like in high school and stuff, I was like, people would ask like, don’t you ever want to take a nap? And I was like, No, I think naps are a waste of time. Because I’m

Josué Cardona 35:35I’ll sleep when I’m dead

Marc Cuiriz 35:36Basically, I was like, like, I there’s a lot of things I’d like to do. Like, I could take an hour nap or I could spend that hour playing video games doing something. I just always felt like I was wasting my day. And now there’s nothing I desire more than to just take a long nap. I started golfing. And so I’m whenever I’m on the courses and stuff I just see, you know, middle aged white men. And I I just start feeling it. Like I said, my lower back’s been hurting me a lot. I feel like I just even now like even at the Taylor Swift concert, I was like, this is getting a little loud for me. Like I need. I felt like I needed earplugs. At some point.

Josué Cardona 36:24be the oldest person around.

Lara Taylor 36:27Everyone, everyone at the Taylor Swift concert should have had a earplugs. It was It wasn’t just the music. It was the people. I had to put them in because without them I could not hear Taylor Swift. So yeah.

Marc Cuiriz 36:42I don’t know, man. Like, I never really had that kind of phase where it’s like, I would go out like every weekend with friends and our I would go out drinking all the time, or I’d go out and just do a lot of fun things. I didn’t really have that. So when people do want to do things, by like, 10:30-11 o’clock at the latest depending on when I woke up that day. I’m ready to just go home, go to sleep. Like I don’t want to be out any later than midnight.

Link Keller 37:12You got that sleepy boy disease.

Marc Cuiriz 37:15I really do. I really really do

Link Keller 37:19this is so funny because I regularly go to sleep between like one and 2am but if I’m out past like 1030 I’m like this is awful. I hate this. Why are we I want to be flat in bed not asleep, but I want to be flat. I’m tired. I’m tired of this vertical life. Let me be horizontal.

Marc Cuiriz 37:42I like I visited i Very audibly have a sigh of relief every time I go into bed after after just being upright all day. I’m like, Ah, bed. This is where I want to be in my life right now. Just me in this bed with my cats. I feel like the oh,

Lara Taylor 38:01okay, Taylor.

Marc Cuiriz 38:05I feel like really some of the only things that keeps me young is is playing playing video games. But I find myself like I feel like even now I’m still kind of struggling with keeping up with things like I don’t know anything about AI stuff, cuz I don’t use it. I don’t really have time to utilize that sort of stuff. And the like the other week, my wife,

Lara Taylor 38:30Marc is older than me and Josué

Josué Cardona 38:31just the way you said it just the way you said it sounds old. I don’t know about AI stuff.

Lara Taylor 38:36You’re not that you’re not the youngest one here.

Marc Cuiriz 38:39I haven’t really not like my wife texted me the other week because she was doing like a summer camp thing for her for her work. And she’s like, Hey, do you know what this means? And it was ‘rizz’. And I was like, I have no idea. I had a google it

Link Keller 38:55i know what it means

Marc Cuiriz 38:55was like I had to google. exactly. I was like I hear it all the time. But I have no idea what it means. And I had I have to look up the lingo that kids are using nowadays. I’m like, what?

Link Keller 39:09Oh, I do I do have to tell you as someone who’s about to turn 40 If you are finding out what the new teen lingo is, it has already passed within the teen community. Unfortunately, I’m sorry if I’m the first person to tell you this but actually rizz is out already.

Marc Cuiriz 39:30Exactly. I’m like, I can’t keep up with this stuff anymore.

Josué Cardona 39:35And this is quadruplely true. If the person saw it on Instagram, that means it’s like two years.

Marc Cuiriz 39:43Oh 100%

Josué Cardona 39:44from tiktok. Yeah, so you so you know. Nothing has made me feel as old as seen juvenile sing back that ass up on NPR Tiny Desk. I was like, what is happening? There was a cello and a violinist. It was acapella. I just wow. Yeah. But in general, I, honestly, I think a lot of the things that we’re talking about is some of it is mental health. Some of it is physical health. And it’s not necessarily aging, aging. Human beings do not age well. And I do believe that we are making some crazy advances right now. Some people believe that like the first person to live to 150 has already been born. And I think that that’s probably true. That person is most likely white and rich, because I don’t think that everybody can be able to afford to do that. But we have to

Marc Cuiriz 40:53gonna be in for a rough time,

Josué Cardona 40:55they’re what?

Marc Cuiriz 40:55they’re also going to be in for a rough time. I cannot imagine spending 150 years on this earth like, No, thank you.

Lara Taylor 41:01while it boils

Josué Cardona 41:04I’m hopeful. I’m hopeful that we’re figuring some stuff out. I’m hopeful in general, I think that yes, the world, for the vast majority of people, their existence, their surroundings is just like a hot pile of garbage. But I believe that we, we could make it better. And we might. I won’t, like bet everything on it. But I see I see the potential and I’m kind of hopeful. At the least as I’ve gotten. There’s so many things like just changing your environment changing. Lara mentioned, the people that you’re around, that all of those things make a huge difference. And I do think like, self care, but just perception of of things is is huge. So like, seeing those examples of people who Oh, like, yeah, Ming-Na Wen that’s a good one. She’s like, 59 that is? That’s great.

Lara Taylor 42:05Yeah, yeah. I would be like, what? She’s forty?

Josué Cardona 42:10She’s on my list already. Yeah. Like, I need to remember that she that she exists. So I know, that I’m not dreading, you know, 60. And I think there’s a lot of examples of people who and it’s not just celebrities, who can afford, you know, whatever it is, that’s helping them get there.

Link Keller 42:33People. It’s other people, it’s to be able to afford to, to delegate a lot of your life, so that you don’t have to do it.

Lara Taylor 42:46To other people,

Link Keller 42:46other people.

Josué Cardona 42:48Yeah, yeah. Like, my life is less stressful now than it was before. And I’m glad, in some ways, in some ways, but that, again, that makes a huge difference in in feeling this way. So I think, whenever we talk about I think this is one version of like, using media to that we’re media can be a catalyst is just the general idea of hope for for a future. Like, I had a conversation with my older sister the other day, and she was freaking out about synthetic meat. And I know enough about it, where I’m like, I think I think this is good. And I think it can be a big deal. And we’re not at what’s it what’s a call in Star Trek the machine that makes the food? The replicator right? We’re not another replicator yet. Right? But it is, it is like a pretty big step. And in addressing some things in the world that can be that could be addressed but but Star Trek in general is very, is a very hopeful future. I have all sorts of issues with with with that hopeful future. But I do I do like that it exists and it’s possible and in the newer shows, they they talk about it more than that, I think you’re right, the original shows that were there, you know, they remind you of like, this is how this is what had to happen for us to get there but we got there. This is what it means. This is how people live on on earth now. And these are the things that we were able to solve to to get there. I don’t know I don’t know how I don’t know how the world is gonna look in a few if there’s anything like the world is aging poorly. More than how I feel that I’ve that I’m aging poorly. That’s That’s my mood today can be it can be different. Later. I hate seeing portrayals of Like we talked about earlier, just women especially, like, just not that oh, why she why she the grandma and why she like, Why do on top of that you put like fake wrinkles on her. And a gray wig? like, Well,

Lara Taylor 45:10why even like? Honestly, I think one of the more realistic portrayals was on this is us of having Mandy Moore they aged her, but then they aged even more as the kids were even older, right. But still, yeah,

Josué Cardona 45:35yeah. I mean, she was technically. To be fair, she was playing herself

Lara Taylor 45:39several different ages.

Josué Cardona 45:41Yeah, yeah. And the makeup was good, though. The Make up was really good.

Lara Taylor 45:45And makeup was good. And people can be the grandma, you can be a grandma, in your 40s.

Josué Cardona 45:52Like that. So if you think about how old Mandy Moore was, right? When the show was happening, she wasn’t she was in her 30s I think right. And she was playing these different. That’s, that’s, that’s fine. Right? It’s like, oh, the range. But like,

Lara Taylor 46:08they aged her to 60, they aged her to 70 or 80. You know,

Josué Cardona 46:11yeah. But like, as a, I don’t, I get a super sad story. Because, like, she gets Alzheimer’s, and you see the progression or something like that. And that. Again, that’s like I’m saying, like, there’s, there’s old age, and then there’s all this other stuff that can just

Lara Taylor 46:31in between, yeah.

Josué Cardona 46:32And that’s, that’s one of my biggest concerns. There’s an episode of Black Mirror where they go into play this video game, where it makes your worst fears come to life. And there’s this one guy whose father has has Alzheimer’s. And his biggest fears also have Alzheimer’s. So in the game, he starts losing his memory. And he, he loses all his memory and doesn’t remember who he is. It’s, it’s terrifying. It’s horrible. If you like horror, watch it. And those are, those are the things that I’m more afraid of now. Because we are older, we’re more susceptible, but like, assuming we don’t have an end, I mean, the odds of not having anything physically. Illness wise, or anything else happen to us as we get older. That’s, that’s a whole other topic. And those are like different fears, I think. But, but it is cool to see characters like Harrison Ford, at least do stuff and then, but it’s true, we will continue to experience that feeling of irrelevance. And I think that a lot of that has to do with one like our interests change, right? Like Marc, you feel like an old person because you have a house and cats and you’re married and you have a job and you’re also in school, you golf. And you have an obsession, the Assassin’s Creed. And you know, that’s time consuming. That’s, that’s a lot of stuff. You know, some people are like, you know, I don’t know, they do different things. And they may feel physically different. But I lost track of where I was going with this.

Link Keller 48:13I do. I do think that, like our generation. Our, like, millennials, our relationship to aging and feeling old is very different than our parents and grandparents. Because the ways that society has changed, and the markers that used to be guideposts for you are getting older, you are more adults, you are more mature, you’re old, whatever you want to call it, those have changed, or disappeared. And so I do think that as we get older, there will be frequently times where we are coming back to this and being like what does aging and maturing mean to us? And when we compare ourselves to our peers, and to our ancestors? Like how does that? How do we feel about that? And how do we compare to that? And is the comparison useful? Or is it detrimental? And all of that stuff is like something we are going to be returning to our entire lives, which honestly probably true for our parents and our grandparents, and the way that they compare themselves to their ancestors, but the internet man, it’s a pretty wild thing. And we’re getting to see a lot more people than any other group of people has gotten to do before and that’s only growing. So I’m very interested to see you know, the people who are graduating high school this year. 10 years from now, how are they going to feel about being like I’m almost 30. Like, what does that mean to you? As a Gen Zer got 18 year olds are still Gen Z, right? Yes, yes. Okay. I had to do a little math in my head. Um, yeah.

Josué Cardona 50:16Yeah. That that reminded me of where I was going.

Link Keller 50:19You’re welcome.

Josué Cardona 50:20Well, thank you. Thank you. I was talking to a friend about Game of Thrones and House of the dragon. And she said, You know, I think I mentioned right, the house of dragons like 1000 years before, right? Is that right? Or is it less? It’s about

Lara Taylor 50:36I think it’s like, seven or 800 years.

Josué Cardona 50:38Right.

Lara Taylor 50:39So almost a 1000?

Josué Cardona 50:40Yeah. So 800. And, and she was like, Whoa, like, not much changed from one over the course of 800 years? I was like, well, like, if that is representative of like, the middle ages for us, like, not much changed in that time. Right. And even before that, right, it’s like, it’s been exponential, the way that things change, just like 120 years, they were a turn of the century, like, things are very different than they were in the 50s. And by them by the 70s, the world is completely different. 80s 90s, like, the changes have been so rapid, that I think, as we get older, the particularly for millennials and older, the world has moved faster and faster and faster, or at least has changed faster and faster. I saw something recently about Gen. A, and how they maybe maybe Gen Z 20 cent, but Gen. Gen a for sure. You know, how we used to joke like, oh, you know, ask the kids about the technology, they’ll help you because they’re better with it. You know, we were the kids who helped our parents. Gen a sucks at this. Because, because their their technology isn’t evolving. Like it’s they were born with a where they’re born with a touch with, you know, with like a touchscreen in their hands. And, like, iPhones have gotten a little smaller over the last 15 years, you know, like tablets and stuff. But like, there’s been no crazy evolution for them to, for the for there to be like that generational learning curve, or even the change or like when we were born, except for Marc, right? Like, internet was not like, everywhere, right? Like,

Lara Taylor 52:20no,

Josué Cardona 52:21I got internet at home when I was 14.

Lara Taylor 52:25I got internet at home when I was and I was on the leading side of it around when I was like nine, I think?

Josué Cardona 52:31yeah, that’s even Yeah. And I thought I was a cutting edge. And, you know, 32 megabyte hard drive, what?!

Lara Taylor 52:40486 computers.

Josué Cardona 52:46And it was, it was holy shit like our parents were freaking out. You know? What? Yeah, the things that just everything changed, right? Everything kept changing. You know, there was no television, right for our grandparents, and that there was television then it was in color. Like he’s different. I saw a joke on tick tock, or teacher said that his his student asked him and he seemed to be serious if YouTube was black and white when he was younger.

Link Keller 53:19Oh I love that, yes, actually, color didn’t exist yet.

Josué Cardona 53:25And like, sure YouTube is better today than it was 10 years ago. Google is better today than it was 15 years ago. But that hasn’t changed much. I mean, now with, you know, mainstream versions of what we’re calling AI, things are, I think that’s a big change, right? Where we’re, the way that we’re accessing information is different. But finally, right. It’s been a while since we had a big a big change.

Link Keller 53:51I don’t know, I feel like there’s been lots of big changes, but the the way that technology has come to interact with capitalism has put a whole bunch of stuff behind a wall. And I mean, if we’re, if we’re bringing up Apple, like the the iPhone, and iPads, and Chromebooks and everything, as those have become so much of like, a brand that is about making money, the access to how these things are made and how they work have become less accessible. And so it’s like, we were, you know, using Windows 95, or whatever and learning

Lara Taylor 54:39MS DOS

Link Keller 54:40about how the files worked within a computer. All of that stuff is now like, Apple doesn’t want you to really engage with that end of this technology. They want that to be something that they own and control and get money for. And so those aren’t like the playground of learning how these things work isn’t available to kids right now they have to find access through other ways in order to get to that back end stuff.

Josué Cardona 55:13I disagree like 100%, with everything you just said.

Link Keller 55:17okay

Josué Cardona 55:18Yeah, it’s especially from the capitalist sense of like, there, it’s more accessible than ever, because the more people have access

Link Keller 55:26I don’t mean access to the technology, I mean, access to like, the back end, right is like, when I got my first laptop, I was putting things together myself, I was figuring out how programs would run, I was figuring out how to get you know, a CD to run on the computer like the now is like, you just put the disc in actually, now, we don’t even have discs, people don’t download it, you just download it, and it just goes and you press the play button, and it just plays versus having to like install eight disks of Sims. And then make sure you have the right disk in so that when you launch the program, it has the right file connection, and you can see it and make that work. That’s the stuff that is not accessible anymore. It is still accessible. It’s not the same level, right is like more people have access to technology. But less people have access to that nitty gritty learning about how it works and connects, and the pieces move. And now it’s just like, you push the power button and it turns on and then you click the app, you click YouTube and it opens up YouTube. I mean, even like navigating, right is like we I took classes on how to learn how to like navigate search engines, and now it’s just like no, you typing into Google. And then at the end of your your search statement, you add ‘reddit’ so it’ll actually give you the information you need. Sorry, that’s a sad joke. But yeah, it’s

Lara Taylor 56:50a lot of kids don’t know how to use the like, quotes around things to keep an actual, like an exact phrase in their search. They don’t know how to use it don’t know how to Yeah, I

Link Keller 56:58mean, you know, I mean, boolean searches aren’t as big of a thing now. But yeah, it’s it’s like absolutely agree, technology itself is so much more accessible than ever before. And that is continuing, however, is the way that we engage with those, those pieces of technology has changed. Where it is very much less about the technology as a tool and learning how to use it and where you can use it and trying new ways to use and that sort of thing. And instead we are being given like a set thing, you can’t change it, it is the way it is. It works the way we say it works. That’s it. And it’s like in order to get to that other stuff, you have to be like, really into it and maybe have access to people who can teach you how to do those things. But like, you know, I like I remember, like trying to figure out how to like code stuff on the library computer, and like going into the commands program and everything. And now it’s just like, you get a Chromebook. And it will break. Like, oh, okay, not not the same kind of play space. Does that makes sense?

Josué Cardona 58:15Yeah, I, I could argue, but I’m but I’m not.

Link Keller 58:16I mean, I’m fine with us disagreeing on this one. I just, I just wanted to clarify those like, I don’t mean like, yeah, obviously, like, technology is more available now. But it’s just the way that we interact with the technology has changed. And I blame capitalism, as I’ll say it.

Josué Cardona 58:37I want to I want to point out that link is the oldest person here, because you just spent five minutes saying back in my day,

Link Keller 58:47back in my day,

Josué Cardona 58:49things were better.

Marc Cuiriz 58:51So glad someone took that title from me

Link Keller 58:54[whispers] back in my day,

Lara Taylor 58:56if anyone wants to really feel old, this just in from Kayla. Orange is the New Black came out 10 years ago.

Link Keller 59:04I was gonna say earlier, scrolling through Twitter, and Twitter kept showing me this person I don’t follow but it was just an account that was like, ask Reddit threads, or am I the asshole Reddit threads just reposted on Twitter. And I was just like, I’m so tired of seeing this. I’m just gonna block this user. I don’t want to see that content. And Twitter was just like, Oh, you don’t want to see that content. Okay, we’re going to really switch it up and instead show you this other Twitter user who just posts like, famous movie came out 38 years ago and I’m like, can you Okay? All right. I’m old. Can we stop? You’re bullying me Twitter! Stop it! Oh, your favorite movie when you were a kid? That was 100 years ago. Did you know that? I’m like, fuck you, stop it

Josué Cardona 59:57Yeah. Link when you were a kid Is YouTube in black and white?

Link Keller 1:00:01It was

Josué Cardona 1:00:02cool.

Link Keller 1:00:03It was actually, you had to order it through a magazine. I don’t know if you guys remember magazines, but you had to order it through the magazine and then YouTube would send you a flip book. You just flip through it black and white. You know, classic, the classic early internet experience.

Lara Taylor 1:00:21Listen y’all. I did have a black and white computer monitor. But YouTube was not on it.

Josué Cardona 1:00:29Yeah, cuz you got it when you’re nine. Almost 60 years ago.

Lara Taylor 1:00:33No, I got it. When I was five.

Josué Cardona 1:00:37Got it? Oh, by Internet you got when you were nine. That’s what you said maybe

Lara Taylor 1:00:41maybe earlier. My mom was. My mom was around when I was nine. And yeah, I think we had it when I was either eight or nine. And then cable came along. Cable Internet came along in my house. Like when I was like, 12 ish- 13 ish.

Josué Cardona 1:01:00Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don’t know that there’s, there’s, there’s we’re all aging. This is true. Your experience

Lara Taylor 1:01:09every single person, even the babies.

Josué Cardona 1:01:11It’s true. Time passes. And we age. But it’s very different for different people for different reasons. And I think that there. Yeah, I mean, we’re out of time. But there’s, there are. There are many, I think both cautionary tales. And I mean, at this at this age, we we can learn a lot. I mean, I think we’ve learned a lot just from being alive. Thankfully, there’s a lot of examples of people who are older than us who can serve as an example. I prefer or I tend to gravitate towards the negative examples. I’m like, what they do I want to do the opposite, I don’t wanna do what they did. But that and hopefully we’ll continue to see this and like how characters, right, that are portraying, like you, it’s part of the representation piece that we’ve talked about as well, like, ageism is a thing. And it’s um, yeah, good for you. Harrison Ford.

Lara Taylor 1:02:25Listen, if Indiana Jones can be 80 and have a wonderful adventure, an exciting adventure. Life for us does not need to end at 40

Josué Cardona 1:02:36Yeah, yeah. I just saw the Rocky movies recently. That was interesting to like, see him over time. I wonder if like Mission Impossible is going to have one of those where like Tom Cruise at the end? It’s like just retires or is it going to be more like TopGun where it’s like, Hey, he’s old. Ha, this old guy What’s he going to teach you? That’s like actually, I have some the best of the best. And you can learn something from me lots of example of there. link closing thoughts.

Link Keller 1:03:09Ah, Happy Birthday everybody. Happy 40th birthday.

Josué Cardona 1:03:17Oh, Marc?

Marc Cuiriz 1:03:19You guys kept me up past my bedtime.

Josué Cardona 1:03:23Yeah,

Link Keller 1:03:24gotta take your take your Alka Seltzer and go to bed.

Marc Cuiriz 1:03:29Yeah, right.

Josué Cardona 1:03:31Everybody taking a Metamucil? Yeah good

Link Keller 1:03:34magnesium

Josué Cardona 1:03:35Lara?

Lara Taylor 1:03:36No, no

Josué Cardona 1:03:38Lara, closing thoughts

Lara Taylor 1:03:43I think my closing thought was that like if the if Harrison Ford if Indiana Jones can have an adventure. Life is not over for those of us turning 40 which is all of us this year. So there’s hope for us yet

Link Keller 1:03:58my actual my actual final thought of obsolescence is not a thing that you should apply to people people do not become obsolete we die that’s different. So if you’re feeling it, tell that feeling shut the fuck up and get out of here. I’m a human being and I’m growing and I’m changing and that’s beautiful.

Josué Cardona 1:04:25We’re not we don’t go obsolete. Tell that to the AI.

Link Keller 1:04:29AI can’t do shit without me.

Marc Cuiriz 1:04:32Yet

Link Keller 1:04:35ever. You cannot have an echo without an original voice. Okay.

Josué Cardona 1:04:45It’s a chicken and egg thing.

Lara Taylor 1:04:47But you can you can have a google home without

Link Keller 1:04:53a home? aww

Lara Taylor 1:04:56without an original voice

Josué Cardona 1:04:59Yeah, I mean, this was implied but this is this type of existential dread. And crisis from aging is true is real. Talk to your therapist about it. Reach out to, to your old folks, they might need a little bit of support because it can be lonely as you get older and it can be painful like like Marc and link who are just like in so much pain all the time. But I hope you all age like Lara and I who are actually turning 40 and doing all right. All right. All right,

Lara Taylor 1:05:40thriving,

Josué Cardona 1:05:41thriving. Alright, thank you for joining us on this episode of GT radio for more Geek Therapy, visit geek therapy.org. Show notes got links to all of our community spaces. Let us know. How old you feel? How old you look? I don’t know. Whatever. Whatever you want has to do with age who’s your favorite aged person in media, fictional or otherwise? And who do you really who sounded the oldest on this episode?

Lara Taylor 1:06:19Love to hear would love to hear from people.

Josué Cardona 1:06:21I thought it was Marc, right up right up until like 10 minutes ago.

Link Keller 1:06:25you can say it’s me. I’m willing to take it. I’ll take it.

Josué Cardona 1:06:28Yeah. And yeah, Link, I’ll get off your lawn, thank you again, everybody. Remember to geek out and do good. We’ll be back next week. Oh,

Link Keller 1:06:41I was wearing an onion on my belts. As was the [forgets the end of the quote and bails] Simpsons. mBye.

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Transcribed by https://otter.ai and Link Keller

• Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023)
• Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
• Taylor Swift
• Star Trek
• This is Us
• Black Mirror
• Game of Thrones
• House of the Dragon
• Assassin’s Creed
• Orange is the New Black
• Rocky (movie series)
• Mission Impossible (movie series)

Conversation Topics:

* Dunning Kruger Effect* REPT* Alzheimer’s* Burnout* Change* Cultural representation* Difficult emotions* Family* Finding Oneself/Identity Development* The inescapable passage of time

Relatable Experience:

* Existential dread* Acceptance* Clarity/Understanding* Coming of age/Getting older* Fear/Anxiety* Health (Physical)* New Life Event (New Rules)

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