We examine Ukraine’s long-range drone war penetrating deep inside Russian territory - both in the air and underwater.

But first, there’s more on Rishi Sunak’s mini cabinet reshuffle and Energy Secretary Grant Shapps being parachuted into the Ministry of Defence.

The former six-day Home Secretary replaces Ben Wallace, who was the longest serving defence chief of this latest Conservative government, having worked under three prime ministers.

The Leader podcast’s joined by Professor Tim Willasey-Wilsey, visiting professor of war studies at King’s College London to discuss what the appointment means for British defence strategy.

In part two, Professor Willasey-Wilsey tells us about his research trip to Ukraine where he met commanders in charge of the programme for building vast squadrons of drones to bomb Russian targets.

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