A recent report from Canada's top prison watchdog offered a bleak picture of this country's track record when it comes to incarcerated people, particularly Black and Indigenous prisoners. It found those inmates face rampant racial discrimination, bias and stereotyping. And in many cases, it's getting worse. Piya Chattopadhyay speaks with long-time prisoner advocate, poet, professor, and activist El Jones, who believes there is a clear, if not simple, way forward: Get rid of prisons altogether. Her new book, Abolitionist Intimacies, examines the prison abolition movement, shares personal stories of prisoners and their families, as well as Jones's own poetry and prose.