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Submit ReviewAlice Murphy, a historical romance author, joins to recommend and discuss under-appreciated non-Regency historical romance. The discussion touches on Alice's upcoming book, "A Showgirl's Rules for Falling in Love," and a rich variety of historical romance novels set in diverse time periods and locations. We travel through Ancient Egypt, medieval Wales, 19th century Japan, the Gilded Age, the Civil Rights Movement in the US in the 1960s, and more. This episode is jam-packed with book recommendations!
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Guest: Alice Murphy
Website | Instagram | A Showgirl’s Rules for Falling in Love
Not recommended: Redeeming Love
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Why do we read Jane Austen but not the authors Jane Austen read and loved? The answer is a BIT more complicated than just "sexism." Guest: Rebecca Romney, rare book dealer and author of the new book, Jane Austen's Bookshelf.
Guest: Rebecca Romney
Jane Austen's Bookshelf | Type Punch Matrix
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Do you have a romance collection, or do you just love looking at other people's collections? Learn more about Romance Novel Collection, a new section of the Shelf Love Substack where I'll be sharing YOUR romance novel collections: https://shelflovepodcast.substack.com/p/introducing-romance-novel-collection
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Can horror and romance coexist? Friend and author Laura J. Mayo joins me to discuss “Land of the Beautiful Dead” by R. Lee Smith. We explore the complexities of combining horror elements (zombies, staking, the apocalypse) with romantic themes, how this book makes us feel, and unlikable and defiant characters who are forged by context. Is it all a metaphor?! (Yes, of course it is!)
Discussed: Land of the Beautiful Dead by R. Lee Smith
Guest: Laura J. Mayo
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I join The Historical Romance Sampler podcast with Katherine Grant to sample a scene from Lisa Kleypas's Secrets of a Summer Night. We discuss how historical romance has changed since the 1970s and talk about bestsellers and airport books. Also, learn more about Romancelandia Holiday Fairies 2024!
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies is a mutual aid effort for the romance novel reader community to support anyone in the community who could use a little material help with purchasing gifts for themselves, or loved ones this holiday season. Learn more:
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Year of the Unicorn by Andre Norton is a 1965 fantasy novel with subtle romantic elements. How does this vintage novel featuring outsider characters compare with today’s romantasy? Romance reader Kassi joins Shelf Love to discuss Gillan’s journey of identity, empowerment, and agency as she embarks on an adventure: arranged marriage with a were Rider. Would you give up your power for a beautiful fantasy? It’s very demure, very mindful — this oldie is a goodie, although there are no unicorns.
Discussed: Year of the Unicorn by Andre Norton (1965)
Guest: Kassi
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Ever wondered why Regencies became all the rage? Or how historical romances shape and sanitize our perceptions of history? This episode delves into how Regency romances displace inconvenient historical truths. A critical look at older 'problematic' romances like Jennifer Blake's 'Fierce Eden' reveals the complexities of characters and settings, challenging the current sanitized romantic fantasies. This audio essay touches upon how modern Regency romance often overlooks deeper societal issues for the comfort of readers, questioning if this trend truly makes the genre better or just more palatable.
Read the original Substack essay here: https://shelflovepodcast.substack.com/p/colonizing-history-historical-romance
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Some call it Romantasy, some call it Dragon Corn (except replace the C with a P). Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros is hotter than dragon’s breath, and so of course we have to see if we can figure out why it’s so popular. Sarah Skilton joins me to discuss “love triangles,” indescribable pain that we would actually like described, War College, and how…hot…Xaden…is. Also, is Fourth Wing enjoyable for people with romance or fantasy genre competence? Listen…or die.
Discussed: Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros
Guest: Sarah Skilton
Website: www.sarahskilton.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/skiltongram/
Hollywood Ending by Tash Skilton: https://bookshop.org/p/books/hollywood-ending-tash-skilton/15806212?ean=9781496730671
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Ever wondered how "The Hating Game" fares in a classroom setting? Dr. Diana Filar is back to discuss her experiences teaching The Hating Game book and film in a class about popular genre fiction. We discuss the challenges of translating romance novels into films, how stereotypes of genres are formed and challenged, and what it's like introducing non-genre readers to romance. Learn about Dr. Filar's approach to incorporating popular genre fiction like romance, horror, and suspense into her curriculum, how class conversations resembled a Battle of the Sexes as they explored texts that engaged with gender in different ways, and why it’s so hard to both adapt romance and teach romance novels as a genre in the classroom.
Class texts also included Gone Girl, Arrival, and The Exorcist.
Guest: Dr. Diana Filar
Listen to Dr. Diana Filar on the #1 most-downloaded episode of Shelf Love:
092. I've Got No Roots: White Immigrant Assimilation & (Romance) Adaptation
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Do you love scent marking, some healthy jealousy, and a beautiful and believable mix of internal and external romance in your paranormal werewolf romance? Get your parka and bundle up for "Cold Hearted" by Heather Guerre, the first book in the Tooth and Claw series, in discussion with foremost vampire defender, Dame Jodie Slaughter. We explore werewolves, vampires, Alaska as a transporting setting, depression, Andrea’s soft vulnerable belly, and found family and community, highlighting the book’s atmospheric setting and rich character development. The conversation delves into the unique elements of limited third-person narrative, the dynamics of jealousy, and the beauty of slow-burn romance.
Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s Vampire Defender
To learn more about Dame Jodie Slaughter, follow her on Instagram @jodie_slaughter and on Twitter @jodieslaughter. Check out her books, including "Play to Win" and "Bet on It," and keep an eye out for her upcoming sapphic romance, "Ready to Score."
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“What is a greater expression of love than eating someone else or wanting to consume and have that person in a way that no one else can have?” Dr. Nicola Welsh-Burke joins to delve into the intriguing topic of cannibalism in romance novels. We explore the intersection of food, eating, and sexuality, discuss the metaphorical use of cannibalism in literature, and examine the societal taboos and fascinations with the concept. The conversation touches upon various themes such as erotic vampirism, werewolf lore, incorrect eating, and how these elements are used to explore deeper human desires and fears.
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Guest: Dr. Nicola Welsh-Burke
Dr. Welsh-Burke is an academic and lecturer at Western Sydney University in Sydney, Australia. She’s an early-stage researcher in folklore and fairy tales and the romance genre, and her PhD was on contemporary YA supernatural romance, retellings of little red riding hood from the 21st century.
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If you’ve always wanted to hear about a romance that takes place within a traveling circus and features a telepathic tiger, hang onto your trapeze bar: Emma from the Substack Restorative Romance and the Reformed Rakes podcast is here to talk about Susan Elizabeth Phillips' “Kiss an Angel,” a contemporary romance that feels like a historical and features an arranged marriage that leads to circus life. In a highly contentious conversation between rival podcasters, the one thing we can agree on the importance of conflict and character flaws in creating a compelling story.
Discussed: Kiss and Angel by Susan Elizabeth Phillips
Guest: Emma, a law librarian and writer at Restorative Romance on Substack, and a member of Reformed Rakes.
Substack | Reformed Rakes Website
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Guest: Sarah Rutherford, a romance reader and Associate Professor of Design at Cleveland State University
@sarahatschool on Instagram
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I was a guest on The Categorically Romance Podcast to discuss my category romance collecting addiction, reading some books from Kiss a short-lived Harlequin line from the early 20 teens, and how not being allowed to read romance as a teen actually made me more obsessed with reading romance. Hope you enjoy this episode and I definitely recommend that you check out the Categorically Romance Podcast if you're not already listening.
We read The One that Got Away by Kelly Hunter (Kiss #1) and If You Can't Stand the Heat by Joss Wood.
Learn more about The Categorically Romance Podcast: https://linktr.ee/TheCategoricallyRomancePodcast
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In this episode, host Andrea Martucci embarks on a journey with Dame Jodie Slaughter to the Covering Romance exhibition. The event showcases romance novel cover art by award-winning artist, John Ennis. Interviews with John Ennis and other attendees, including author Nisha Sharma, romance fan Mary Lynne Nielsen, and Fin, owner of Wolf and Kron books, a genre bookstore. Andrea purchases several pieces of cover art and reflects with Jodie on the cultural significance of fandom and passion for the genre.
Fellow Traveler: Dame Jodie Slaughter, International Fandom Criticizer
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An exploration of prison planet romances with Megan Erickson. We discuss Guardian by Emmy Chandler and how it explores issues of consent, agency, and morality through an extreme version of the forced proximity trope. Are these brutal dystopians actually hopeful explorations of humanity and love?
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Romancelandia Holiday Fairies 2023!
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Is shame productive? This question guides part 2 of a Whoa!mance/Shelf Love convo about A Lady of the West by Linda Howard as we discuss the paradox of enjoying highly problematic books.
We interrogate our feelings of shame, enjoyment, and the importance of critically dissecting the pleasures derived from reading, no matter how uncomfortable it may feel.
Look at your society, look at your life! Along with me and Whoa!mance, in this crossover episode.
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Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
Listen to part 1 of this episode: episode 150 Shelf Love
Morgan & Isabeau joined me in episode 076 to discuss Strange Love by Ann Aguirre
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Episode 089 to Problematize Romance
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108 She-Devil (1989): Who's Entitled To Be Selfish in Love & Life? (Whoa!mance spectacular)
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I humbly asked Morgan and Isabeau to help me understand why A Lady of the West by Linda Howard had a chokehold on my young romance-reading imagination, and they delivered. We discuss how this book has rules for good (white) women, and explores Manifest Destiny, settler colonialism, sexuality, violence, violent sexuality, and being a desirable (white) woman.
Button up your white high-necked blouse and gallop on a virile stallion into the wild west with Whoa!mance, in this crossover episode.
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Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
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The difference between erotic romance and romance is all about feelings, in particular, where you feel them. Shelf Love’s Kink Correspondent, Dame Jodie Slaughter, joins the podcast to discuss A Gentleman in the Streets by Alisha Rai. Only enter if you consensually dare.
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Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s Kink Correspondent
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Bisexuality in romance with writer and reviewer Ellie Mae MacGregor (@bisexual_booknerd). When it comes to romance, a genre that explores romantic and sexual desires, what does “good” bisexual representation look like? How can books with or without bisexual representation create worlds that feel safe for bisexual readers?
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Guest: Ellie Mae MacGregor
Instagram @bisexual_booknerd
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I own 91 Candlelight Ecstasy Romances, so it was high time I read one... then I read another 13 for good measure. In December, 1980, Vivian Stephens launched a new line of contemporary category romance at Dell called Candlelight Ecstasy. The line pushed the envelope when it came to sex and sensuality on the page. But how sexy are they and how do these books hold up in 2023?
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Mistress of Mellyn by Virginia Holt is often hailed as responsible for kicking off a boom of modern gothics in the mid-20th century. In this crossover with Reformed Rakes, we ask: is this a gothic first and a romance second? Is our plucky main character in love with the man of the house, or just the house? How does Mistress explore transgression of boundaries, gender, eight-year-olds, and heroines “ahead of their time”?
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Discussed: The Mistress of Mellyn (1960) by Virginia Holt
Guest: Reformed Rakes
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What makes a heroine in romance, a genre invested in exploring how can women be happy in culture? Is the genre a place where heroines create integrated identities that reject binaries of what society tells them to be? Dr. Jayashree Kamble discusses her latest book on romance scholarship, Creating Identity: The Popular Romance Heroine's Journey to Selfhood and Self-Presentation. Shelf Love listeners can use “UShelfLove” to get 35% off the book at Indiana University Press, from now until November 2, 2023.
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Guest: Dr. Jayashree Kamble
Creating Identity: The Popular Romance Heroine's Journey to Selfhood and Self-Presentation
https://iupress.org/9780253065704/creating-identity/
Shelf Love Discount code: use “UShelflove” for 35% between September 15, 2023 and November 2, 2023.
Jayashree on Humanities Commons: https://hcommons.org/members/kamble/
Jayashree’s upcoming New York City book launch events:
Learn more about the International Association for the Study of Popular Romance at IASPR.org and the open access journal where you can find tons of romance scholarship: JPRStudies.org
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Four romance reading friends embark on a romance history reading project, based on a BookRiot list, and in this episode, two of them — Leigh Kramer and Hannah Hearts romance — have Flames on the Sides of their Face when talking about the Flame and The Flower by Kathleen E. Woodiwiss. To keep things interesting, we talk less about the book itself and more about questions of reader reception and the relationship between the 1972 text and the romance texts that followed. Have we come a long way, baby, or are we still wallowing in the same whirlpool of sludgey emotions?
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Discussed: The Flame and the Flower by Kathleen E. Woodiwiss
The BookRiot list that inspired the project: https://bookriot.com/most-influential-romance-novels/
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Leigh Kramer
Hannah Hearts Romance
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What happens when 35 romance scholars walk into a bar, after hours at the IASPR 2023 Romance Revitalised conference? They share their favorite romance scholarship, and why!
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Thanks to all of the contributors to this episode!
Full list of romance scholarship mentioned on Substack: https://shelflovepodcast.substack.com/
Romance Reader Stereotype research: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQzi8fBB0R8
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The fabulous foursome (Morgan & Isabeau from Whoa!mance, Dame Jodie Slaughter, Andrea Martucci from Shelf Love) get meta textual as we reflect on our meta podcasting project on Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas. What’s this episode about? Take a guess from this collection of possible episode titles:
Be sure to listen to episode 140 and 141 before diving into the meta-ness and meta-mess of this text.
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Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter
Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
Morgan & Isabeau joined me in episode 076 to discuss Strange Love by Ann Aguirre
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Episode 089 to Problematize Romance
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108 She-Devil (1989): Who's Entitled To Be Selfish in Love & Life? (Whoa!mance spectacular)
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This week, yr grls at long last encounter Derek Craven in "DREAMING OF YOU" by Miss Massachu herself LISA KLEYPAS. It is time for Morgan and Isabeau from Whoa!mance to wade into this collaboration with Shelf Love.
You probably already know this - but Sarah is a regency country mouse who is secretly a best-selling novelist. Facing the dreaded sophomore slump, she seeks out a real Gambling Hell to research her next novel and instead finds Derek Craven. Derek's a gutter baby cum Cockney made good by establishing the most luxurious gambling den in London. But, it turns out, his personal tastes skew a bit more bucolic if you catch our drift (they fall in love!).
What makes a character captivating and why doesn't Derek Craven have any of it? Is the sentimental version of the Culture Wars any more forgivable? It's 10 p.m. - is your child a Perry?
Take our "lump of ice" and tune in as we give this "weep and wail" its "early hours".
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Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
Morgan & Isabeau joined me in episode 076 to discuss Strange Love by Ann Aguirre
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Episode 089 to Problematize Romance
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108 She-Devil (1989): Who's Entitled To Be Selfish in Love & Life? (Whoa!mance spectacular)
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Discussed: Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas
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Let’s talk about Joyce Ashby from Lisa Kleypas's novel Dreaming of You. We delve into the dichotomous portrayal of Joyce as an irredeemable villainess alongside her foil, the redeemable “hero” Derek Craven. We explore the parallel themes of violence, possessiveness, and animalistic sexuality resulting in problematically differing fates and treatment by the text. Belched from the underworld, Defender of Bisexual Villainesses Dame Jodie Slaughter joins Shelf Love in this special cross-over project with Whoa!mance - watch for the next episode, in which Morgan and Isabeau share their conversation about Dreaming of You.
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Discussed: Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas
Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s Expert on Bisexual Villainesses
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Amanda Cinelli joins me to discuss representation of autistic characters in romance novels. Amanda shares how reading Helen Hoang’s "The Kiss Quotient" played a big part in her realizing that she was autistic, and talks about some other romances with autism representation that she loved. We also discuss why representing autistic love is important to Amanda as an author and her writing journey pre and post diagnosis.
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"Somebody’s Trying To Kill Me and I think it’s my husband" by Joanna Russ is a brilliant bit of 50 year old scholarship about modern gothics, but I say it applies just as well to romance novels of today.
In part one, I explore the theme of passive protagonists in adventure stories. Part 2, the personal is the problematic. In all parts: unpacking heteropatriarchy.
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Adventure Stories with Passive Protagonists:
https://shelflovepodcast.substack.com/p/adventure-stories-with-passive-protagonists
The Personal is Problematic:
https://shelflovepodcast.substack.com/p/the-personal-is-problematic
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Part 2 of the conversation about North and South with Helena Greer. AI generated these action items from the transcript of this episode. AI responses can be inaccurate or misleading.
This is part 2 of the conversation about North and South. Check out episode 136 for part 1.
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Discussed: North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell and North and South the 2004 BBC adaptation starring Richard Armitage and Daniela Denby-Ashe
SAVE the Cat: https://savethecat.com/
Guest: Helena Greer
Website | Twitter | Instagram | Storyloom Choose Your Own Adventure
Helena Greer is a long time librarian and romance reader, and recent romance novelist. She has a degree in mythography and is interested in deconstructing the social context around the decisions storytellers make about how to frame --or reframe-- their stories.
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Trains! Fruit! Allusions to Hell abound! Victorian industrialist city mortality rates! Writer, sex educator, and librarian Helena Greer is here to discuss North and South. Did the 2004 BBC adaptation of Elizabeth Gaskell's 1854 serialized novel make the heroine more likable and everyone else less nuanced? This conversation is serialized just like the original text. We compare and contrast the romantic moments in the book and adaptation, highlighting how the adaptation focuses more on negative emotions and drama, while the book emphasizes character growth and acts of romantic love.
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Discussed: North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell and North and South the 2004 BBC adaptation starring Richard Armitage and Daniela Denby-Ashe
Guest: Helena Greer
Helena Greer is a long time librarian and romance reader, and recent romance novelist. She has a degree in mythography and is interested in deconstructing the social context around the decisions storytellers make about how to frame --or reframe-- their stories.
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Dame Jodie Slaughter, Feather Fetish Understander, and I recently discussed how The Savage and The Swan speaks the unspoken, what a winged wolf looks like, and whether this book is a metaphor for toxic masculinity and healing generational trauma. This summary below was written by AI using my episode transcript:
The Savage and the Swan by Ella Fields is a groundbreaking work of Enemies to Lover literature that combines elements of dark fairytale retellings, a possessive anti-hero, and spicy fae romance. The story follows Opal, a princess in a kingdom at war with its neighboring kingdom, Vordane, ruled by the shape-shifting wolf-with-wings Dade. Opal is forced to marry a human prince to strengthen the alliance between the two kingdoms, but is kidnapped by Dade and must find a way to reconcile her feelings for him despite his shocking act of violence.
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Discussed: The Savage and The Swan by Ella Fields
Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s International Smut Historian
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Starting the year off with some cozy re-reads, comfort reads, and short reads to combat the wintery weather and get through winter cold season. I share thoughts on all the books I read in January 2023, including Alice Coldbreath’s Victorian Prizefighter series, A Holiday by Gaslight by Mimi Matthews, His Majesty by Shon, Better Off Wed by Susanna Craig, Hero by Claire Kent, and the Murderbot series by Martha Wells.
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We need to talk about Anais Nin and her erotic short story collection Delta of Venus. Did Anais Nin write "female erotica"? Is there such a thing? Have Things™️ changed much since 1941? Noted smut writer Dame Jodie Slaughter is Shelf Love's international smut history correspondent. She schools us on the long history of smut, French people, Choice Feminism, why she doesn't believe in the female gaze, how her work is contributing to the demise of "our value system," and more! We unpack Anais's assertion that "women are more apt to fuse sex with emotion, with love" via Dr. Jodi McAlister’s book "The Consummate Virgin," and her theories of compulsory (female) demisexuality.
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Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s International Smut Historian
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Arranged marriage trope in contemporary Indian American diaspora romance novels with cognitive psychologist and author Sri Savita.
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Shaadi dot com performance by Awaaz Do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzwhcCeJ4lk
Guest: Sri Savita
Sri writes romance by night, and by day is a Cognitive Psychologist.
savita.com/">Website | Twitter | Instagram
Forthcoming Short Story: "How to Find Your Footing in France," part of a Wordmakers New Year's Eve holiday anthology.
Hôtel d'Amour: A Sweet Romance Anthology: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMXV9JG3/ref=x_gr_bb_kindle?caller=Goodreads&tag=x_gr_bb_kindle-20
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A billionaire romance novel that name drops Citizen’s United only comes along every so often. Carter Sherman, Senior reporter for VICE News, joins me to discuss Preferential Treatment by Heather Guerre. We talk about power exchange, heterosexual marriage as a transaction, and subverting the single script of the hegemonic BDSM billionaire romance to focus on the fantasy as care & safety as opposed to letting go of control.
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies: https://shelflovepodcast.com/blog-posts/romancelandia-holiday-fairies
Discussed: Preferential Treatment by Heather Guerre
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Guest: Carter Sherman (she/her/hers)
Senior reporter for VICE News
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Are men in romance novels granted agency & subjectivity, and do readers have the same expectations for male consent as they do for female characters in M/F romance? Lynell from Weekend Reader has some thoughts on mutual consent in romance, especially as she’s binging dark mafia romance with kidnapping plots. What happens when your real life values conflict with your fantasy world values, and how do ideas about happily ever after change as our culture changes?
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies 2022: bit.ly/romancelandia
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Guest: Lynell from Weekend Reader
reader.blogspot.com/">Website | Twitter
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Hear Elysabeth Grace & Katrina Jackson in conversation: a recording from Black Romance and Historical Spaces presentation put on by the Center for Black Diaspora at DePaul University on November 5th, 2022. This episode is a co-release with Black Romance Podcast, hosted by Dr. Julie Moody-Freeman.
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NEW! $1 Patreon tier “Here for the Discourse” - for those of you bummed by the decline of Twitter
Black Romance Podcast
https://blackromancepodcast.libsyn.com/
Center for Black Diaspora
https://las.depaul.edu/centers-and-institutes/center-for-black-diaspora/Pages/default.aspx
Katrina Jackson
https://www.katrinajacksonauthor.com/
Elysabeth Grace
https://www.elysabethgrace.com/
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Breaking News! Harlequin Associate Editor John Jacobson is here to give the scoop on Harlequin’s newest, currently unnamed line of sexy new contemporary romances. We talk about Harlequin’s intentions, hopes, and dreams for the line, and also talk about the unfulfilled… gaps in the market, especially for younger readers who want to imagine their own unique, personalized, non-normative happily ever afters.
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Guest: John Jacobson
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Classic fairy tales Cinderella & Beauty and the Beast may have gotten their Disney-fication, but there are many ways to slide your feet into these glass (or are they fur?) slippers, and romance novels love to play with these tropes. Writer Renee Dahlia and podcaster Philippa Borland join the podcast to discuss fairytale retellings, reversions, and subversions in romance novels.
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Renee Dahlia
Website | Twitter | Instagram | Books
Philippa Borland
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What is beastliness? Little Red Riding Hood stories used to be tales of warning for young women to manage their sexuality in the face of the dangerous beasts of court, who were smooth on the outside, but hairy on the inside. In the 21st century, paranormal teen romances use enchantment to transform the beasts into objects of desire. Dr. Nicola Welsh-Burke, a scholar of fairy tales and romance, is here to discuss hot wolf boys, brooding Byronic figures, pseudomarriage and pseudovirginity, hot villain discourse, and why young women need beastly men to unlock their sexuality.
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Guest: Dr. Nicola Welsh-BurkeTwitter
Dr. Welsh-Burke is an academic and lecturer at Western Sydney University in Sydney, Australia. She’s an early-stage researcher in folklore and fairy tales and the romance genre, and her PhD was on contemporary YA supernatural romance, retellings of little red riding hood from the 21st century.f
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The Toast: toast.net/2015/10/26/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-brooding-romantic-hero/">A Day In The Life Of A Brooding Romantic Hero
Aarne-Thompson-Uther index
folk-tale.fandom.com/wiki/ATU_425A:_The_Animal_as_Bridegroom">Little Red Riding Hood is: ATU 425
Famous Folklorists & scholars:
Dr. Jodi McAllister: The Consummate Virgin
Dr. Christina Seifert: pseudovirginity
The complex fantasy (Diamond, 2011): to have the bad boy, to never come to harm, to have his wildness for one’s self.
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Junior novels were early romances for young readers, published in the 1940s-1960s. Learn from expert guest Dr. Amanda K. Allen how the didactic and heteronormative messages in these novels make a lot of sense when you consider that they were created to respond to demand from librarians and schools for “bibliotherapy” texts to “teach teenage girls how to be women,” which included winning that class ring and becoming besties with the popular girl who you’re not sure if you want to be or date.
Guest: Dr. Amanda K. Allen is a professor of children's and young adult literature.
Guest: Dr. Amanda K. Allen
Personal Website | Twitter | allen.php">Academic Website
Amanda K. Allen researches American teen girl romance novels of the 1940s-1960s (known as "junior novels" or "malt shop books") in connection with the professional network of women (editors, librarians, booksellers, critics) who produced and distributed them. She also publishes on fan studies.
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Funmi’s Beverly Jenkins collection is complete, and of course it includes the queen of Black historical romance’s young adult romances that were originally published in the short-lived Avon True Romance line in the early 2000s. We discuss Belle and the Beau and Josephine and the Soldier. Did these romances hit the spot for early aughts tweens? And why do we feel like the parental gaze is peering over our shoulder while we read it?
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Jess joins Shelf Love to discuss the Sunfire romance that shares her name: Jessica by Mary Francis Shura. This historical teen romance from 1984 centers on a highly-competent, independent Kansas teen in 1873 and her many suitors: is the mad man who wins her heart the right guy or is he just the one who gets along best with her bad dad?
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Sunfire, a historical romance series for young adults, debuted in 1982 with two books by Candice Ransom. 40 years later, Candice pulls back the curtain on her process and how Scholastic editor Ann Reit shaped the series, which was many young readers’ first taste of romance packaged in a girl’s adventure story.
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Candice’s Blog post on Sunfires with pictures of retro promotional material
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A brief overview of romance for young adult readers throughout time, with a focus on the romance series boom of the 1980s and the reverberations into the early 2000s. Wildfire, Sunfire, Sweet Dreams, Oh My! But some people haven’t always been on board with young people consuming age-appropriate romance.
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Resources:
Allen, Amanda K. “Young Adult Romance.” In The Routledge Research Companion to Popular Romance Fiction. Routledge, 2020.
Madsen, Christine Terp. “Teen Novels: What Kind of Values Do They Promote?” Christian Science Monitor, December 17, 1981. https://www.csmonitor.com/1981/1217/121749.html.
Wagner, Elaine. “Protesting Sexist Materials: You Can Make a Difference.” Interracial Books for Children Bulletin 12, no. 3 (1981). https://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/Literature/Literature-idx?type=article&did=Literature.CIBCBulletinv12n03.i0003&id=Literature.CIBCBulletinv12n03&isize=M&pview=hide.
“Interracial Books for Children Bulletin: Special Double Issue on Preteen and Teenage Romance Series,” 1981. https://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/Literature/Literature-idx?type=header&id=Literature.CIBCBulletinv12n0405&isize=M&pview=hide.
Grinnan, Dabney. “At the Back Fence #145.” All About Romance. Accessed May 24, 2022. https://allaboutromance.com/author-interviews/at-the-back-fence-145/.
Moss, Gabrielle. Paperback Crush: The Totally Radical History of ’80s and ’90s Teen Fiction. Quirk Books, 2018.
Source: re: Vivian Stephens & Jackie Weger book: inspired-by-conference-race.html">https://teachmetonight.blogspot.com/2015/02/thoughts-inspired-by-conference-race.html
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Lucy Hargrave shares her research into the history of queer romance. While Lucy dates published narratives of fictional happy endings for queer characters back to 1906, she charts the evolution since then in 5 significant time periods with different political, cultural, and technological climates. Plus, Lucy shares some results from her quantitative research into modern readers and writers of queer romance books.
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Guest: Lucy Hargrave
Lucy Hargrave is a third year PhD student at the University of Birmingham researching Queer Romance Novels of the 21st Century. Her research explores the queering of the romance genre through a combination of literary critical and social science methodologies to analyse how queer romances rework heteronormative structures. She also produces content to help future and current PhD students on her YouTube channel, Lucy Hargrave.
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Fangirl Jeanne answers the question: Why might people, and women in particular, find serial killers to be romantic figures in dark romance in a hetero patriarchal capitalist, racist, etc. society? We discuss the Darkly, Madly Duology by Trisha Wolfe, a dark romance with 2 serial killer main character antagonists.
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Jeanne’s tweet thread on the power fantasy of being the singular focus of a powerful man present in Romantic literature and fan fiction: https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/1507407313220485122?s=20&t=Esqbm4RcOJtUeqnB58DInw
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Readers weigh in on killers in romance novels (AKA people who un-alive other people) and I challenge myself to see if the distasteful elements in the Darkly, Madly duology (discussed next episode!) showed up in less-egregious ways in texts I did enjoy. Also, more thoughts on power, gender roles, and the desire to conquer a protector.
Responses from Antagonist April social media prompts:
Fangirl Jeanne’s tweet thread on the power fantasy, discussed in this episode
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Antagonist April: discussing killers in romance. Fangirl Jeanne is back to continue our discussion of Manacled, a dark romance fan fiction story. What is the appeal of enemies to lovers? How do readers wrestle with justification for killing in romantic stories, and how does Manacled explore a romantic relationship, not just a romantic fantasy for an individual? How does creating within communal systems, as opposed to capitalist ones, enable different kinds of stories?
This is part 2 of 2 discussing Manacled. Check out episode 116 for part 1.
Content Warnings: the text we discuss is a dark romance fanfiction and we discuss how the text handles rape, war, violence, and genocide.
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Discussed: Manacled by SenLinYu (Dramione AU Fanfiction)
Manacled - Chapter 1 - senlinyu - Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling [Archive of Our Own]
Guest: Fangirl Jeanne
Jeanne’s tweet thread on the power fantasy of being the singular focus of a powerful man present in Romantic literature and fan fiction: https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/1507407313220485122?s=20&t=Esqbm4RcOJtUeqnB58DInw
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Antagonist April: discussing killers in romance. Manacled by SenLinYu is a wildly popular dark romance fanfic with Draco Malfoy and Hermione Granger, that remixes alternate universe Harry Potter with Handmaid’s Tale. Fangirl Jeanne joins me to discuss how war is hell, what it means to be a killer in a world where there are fates worse than death, and the appeal of the murderous antagonist hero. What does it help us understand about conceptions of masculinity and emotions as well as feminine desirability within patriarchy? This is part 1 of 2 discussing Manacled. Check out episode 117 - out now - for part 2.
Content Warnings: the text we discuss is a dark romance fanfiction and we discuss how the text handles rape, war, violence, and genocide.
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Discussed: Manacled by SenLinYu (Dramione AU Fanfiction)
Manacled - Chapter 1 - senlinyu - Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling [Archive of Our Own]
Guest: Fangirl Jeanne
Jeanne’s tweet thread on the power fantasy of being the singular focus of a powerful man present in Romantic literature and fan fiction: https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/1507407313220485122?s=20&t=Esqbm4RcOJtUeqnB58DInw
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Data scientist Dr. Andrew Piper joins Shelf Love to share how data science can help the romance community answer the big questions that close reading can’t answer. Andrew’s the director of McGill University’s .txtlab, a laboratory that uses machine learning to ask questions like why do people enjoy the work they love? And once we empirically quantify what’s going on here, he asks us to think about what we’d like to do about it.
Guest: Dr. Andrew Piper
Website | Twitter | Enumerations: Data and Literary Study
Andrew Piper is Professor and William Dawson Scholar at McGill University. He is the director of .txtlab, a laboratory that uses machine learning and data science to understand literature and culture.
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Tweets discussed in this episode:
@katrinaJax: “is it me or are there so many more white romances this year and being announced? like... a lot...”
@momonoki8: Who is critique use of blonde, pink lips, thinness, small waists and blushing cheeks etc in contemporary white-led romance novels? @ShelfLovePod
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Swan Song (2021) is a movie that forces us to confront the "After" part of Happily Ever After. Shelf Love's Sad Media Correspondent, Dame Jodie Slaughter, is here to discuss lax security at cloning facilities, the ethics of cloning, the aesthetics of the future: pretty much anything that allows us to avoid the banal truth about our own mortality.
Content Note: discussion of death and mortality.
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Discussed: Swan Song (2021)
Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s Sad Media Correspondent
Check out Fair Fight Action! Thank you to Cynthia for bidding on the quilt I donated to Romancing the Vote and for supporting Fair Fight!
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Do our fated lovers smell like ambrosia because of the cosmic love connection? How do romance novels use language to convey romantic love? I propose a spectrum that ranges from "fated sex mates" to "perfectly matched" using examples from 4 romance novels (not all of them recommended).
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Have you ever wished you could just escape the anxieties and mundanity of modern life by traveling back to Qing Dynasty China? How does time travel romance create a simulacra of a “glorious and wealthy feudal past” that allows audiences to “effortlessly become a love interest and an admired woman through the male gaze shaped by multiple admirers”?
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Guest: Dr. Huike Wen
Professor teaching media studies and global cultural studies at Willamette University
Website | Romance in Post-Socialist Chinese Television
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The Hunger Games may have featured a prominent love triangle, but are those the relationships teen girl audiences care most about? Dr. Tina Benigno shares her research about how the teen romance narrative for the extra-ordinary girl in some ways reinforces neoliberal feminist or popular feminist messages around empowerment discourses, on the heels of postfeminism.
Discussed: The Hunger Games, The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
Guest: Dr. Tina Benigno
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Romance-Friendly Bookstores with Copper Dog Books (and everything about the supply chain you've never thought to ask)!
Copper Dog Books is an independently-owned, genre-inclusive bookstore in Beverly, MA and co-owners Julie Karaganis & Meg Wasmer join Shelf Love to share the joys, challenges, and future possibilities for romance in brick and mortar bookstores.
Guests: Copper Dog Books: co-owners Julie Karaganis & Meg Wasmer
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Meg is looking for kinky books with warm fuzzies, a la Sunstone, a graphic novel series by Stjepan Šejić. Let her know if you know of the perfect recommendation @megpyre on Twitter
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Love & Marriage...and The Simpsons. Join me & my IRL love partner to celebrate what "ever after" looks like this Valentine's Day. We discuss how romantic love, infidelity, & marriage are portrayed in The Simpsons.
Reader...I married him and he DID eventually redo my website.
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Guest: Joe Martucci, romance podcaster husband
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Mary Fisher lived in a palace by the sea, and like all romance novelists, just needs love to complete her idyllic rose-colored life. Too bad the man she wants is married to bored housewife Ruth, who embarks on a journey of revenge. But who is the titular She-Devil in this 1989 film starring Meryl Streep and Roseanne Barr? What does this film imagine is worse than being a bored housewife? Whom do we root for, and who gets to be selfish in life and love? Morgan & Isabeau from Whoa!mance invite me to join them on a very special Whoanus spectacular.
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She-Devil - 1989 Film starring Meryl Streep as Mary Fisher, the romance novelist, and Roseanne Barr, as Ruth
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Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
Morgan & Isabeau joined me in episode 076 to discuss Strange Love by Ann Aguirre
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Episode 089 to Problematize Romance
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Normal People by Sally Rooney (and the Hulu adaptation) is a love story that may or may not be a romance novel, a story that might be hopeful even if it’s bleak, but who could say if it represents all millennials, who live in a post-love, post-Tumblr society? Shelf Love’s Youth Culture Media Correspondent Dame Jodie Slaughter helps me decipher what Normal People has to say about love, romance, marriage, and millennials, all through our lens as romance novel readers.
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Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s Youth Culture Media Correspondent
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Is true love real or fiction? Is romantic love in fiction unreal but not untrue? How do romance novels play with fiction and reality, and how do some other disciplines explore similar questions in their own fields? Guest: Dr. Eric Selinger
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies 2021: bit.ly/romancelandia
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This episode is about feelings, and Murderbot, and romance novels, and hope, and anger, and powerlessness, the year 2020....and 2021.
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies 2021: bit.ly/romancelandia
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Seven souls gave romance novels a try as a result of the Bridgerton adaptation and bravely came to speak with me about what they thought of romance readers before, what it took for them to pick up a romance, and how or if they've had a change of heart about the genre and what it means to be a romance reader.
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Check out the rest of the research:
Podcast version: Episode 096 about the Romance Reader Stereotype
Thank you so much to Ellie, Emma, Lucy, Jake, Emily, Amanda and Sujey for taking the time to speak with me.
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Stories from Shelf Love listeners who have reexamined romantic stories that they used to love and found that their relationship has gone from unconditional love to questioning the value of their relationship. Outlander. The Cosby Show. Harry Potter. Gilmore Girls. We hate to love you!
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Wil Wheaton: separating art from problematic artist (via Dr. Maria DeBlassie):
Johannauary: https://soundcloud.com/user-282269790/episode-72-yours-to-keep-johannauary-1-defy-not-the-heart-by-johanna-lindsey
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Dr. Maria DeBlassie joins me to discuss engaging with banned media, and dealing with the discomfort and joy of growth. Is Gone With the Wind watchable with context? What happens when I force myself to watch it and realize how far into the present its influence reaches? And, I finally read Lord of Scoundrels by Loretta Chase and see what the fuss is about: but am I allowed to enjoy it?
Content notes: this episode discusses racism and intimate partner violence.
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Is it real love or fantasy TV? I hope you're here for the right reasons: to learn how The Bachelor franchise produces a fantasy of romantic love. We cover the lingo (Rose Ceremony, Fantasy Suite, Frankenbiting), the scandals, the couples, and all of the commercially-viable aesthetically romantic gestures that construct "romantic love" on The Bachelor.
Tell Me About is a series that introduces me and you to new genres and sub genres of romantic stories across media. Podcast host and Bachelor Nation Expert Jhen (The Blachelorettes, Monogamish, Stacked) joins me to discuss romantic love, what audiences expect from the love stories on The Bachelor, and how these stories make her feel.
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This episode is available on YouTube, with video, graphic additions, etc. Watch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK149ByQtpo
Guest: Jhen
Jhen is an expert on The Bachelor, the co-host of The Blachelorettes podcast, as well as host of Monogamish Podcast and co-host of Stacked.
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How do romantic narratives explore or influence our ideas of which bodies are "desirable"? Dr. Christina Fattore will introduce us to neoliberalism, and we'll discuss how the ideological focus on individual agency influences our ideas of which bodies are most desirable to acquire in romantic partners and how individuals must produce desirable bodies to create "value" in a romantic marketplace.
CW: discussion of diet culture, body size, etc.
Guest: Dr. Fattore, associate professor of political science and romance reader and writer.
Discussed: Neoliberalism, "desirable" bodies, romantic partners according to dominant cultural ideologies
Guest: Dr. Christina Fattore
Associate professor of political science at West Virginia University as well as an avid romance reader. Currently working on a project on romancelandia and political participation, which was featured in the Washington Post.
Website: https://christinafattore.org/
Find on Twitter: @cfattorewvu
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I now pronounce you man and...horse? Kissing mannequins, will Taylor stay dead this time, is Sheila Carter the best Supervillain, and favorite Super Couples (seemingly always love triangles?): when I asked Dr. Jodi McAlister to Tell Me About The Bold and the Beautiful, I had no idea how wild the ride would be!
Tell Me About is a series that introduces me and you to new genres and sub genres of romantic stories across media. Novelist, academic, and Soap Superfan Dr. Jodi McAlister share how soap opera's structure explores romantic love, what audiences expect from the love stories, and how these stories make her feel.
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This episode is available on YouTube, with video, graphic additions, etc. Watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w2VE2fiQQM&t=988s
Guest: Dr. Jodi McAlister
Dr Jodi McAlister is a Lecturer of Writing, Literature and Culture at Deakin University in Melbourne. She is also an author, and her new rom-coms Here For The Right Reasons and Can I Steal You For A Second? will be out in 2022.
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Journalist E. Jean Carroll hopped a ride on the Love Train with dozens of romance authors in 1983, hoping to discover "how to catch a man." But did she actually discover who women* in America were fantasizing about being? Steve Ammidown, archivist and historian of the romance genre, joins me to discuss Where the Heart Roams, a 1987 documentary about romance authors, culture clashes, silk sheets and lavender sachets, men with a lot of flash (there aren't many), and many conflicting theories about how to catch a man.
Appearances by: Vivian Stephens, Janet Dailey, Barbara Cartland, and many more!
*middle class white cis heterosexual women...
Discussed: Where the Heart Roams (1987) documentary by George Csicsery
Guest: Steve Ammidown
Steve Ammidown is an archivist and historian of the romance genre. In 2019, he was the Cathie Linz Librarian Of The Year.
He currently writes about romance history on his blog, romancehistory.com.
Find him on Twitter: @stegan
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Proving once and for all, using science, the truth of the romance reader stereotype. Warning: this research is about how romance novels and readers are perceived, not the actual reality.
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Inside: Stereotype Content Model, Cognitive Dissonance, Susan Fiske, Social Psychology, Leon Festinger, Dan Ariely, and more.
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Romance Author Jodie Slaughter joins Shelf Love Live from Copper Dog Books in Beverly, Massachusetts. Can Jodie identify excerpts from her own books? What's her favorite trope and why is it Only One Bed? We play games and share romance recommendations, answer live Q&A from the audience, are ogled by passing firefighters, question if capitalism is the real nemesis in classic rom-coms, and more.
Recorded August 11, 2021 in a livestream. Watch the enhanced & edited video recording on YouTube!
Part 1: https://youtu.be/Una6yJPyVf0
Part 2: https://youtu.be/txultz7mqB8
Buy White Whiskey Bargain from Copper Dog Books: https://www.copperdogbooks.com/book/9781733426565
Pre-order Bet On It by Jodie Slaughter: https://www.copperdogbooks.com/book/9781250821829
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More Romance Recommendations: https://www.copperdogbooks.com/loveyourshelf
Learn more about Jodie Slaughter: https://www.jodieslaughter.com/
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Listen to Shelf Love Podcast on your favorite podcast app and get more info and transcripts on the website: https://shelflovepodcast.com/
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Who profits from "diverse" romance adaptations? Are white authors making room for creators from marginalized backgrounds to tell their stories? What's lost in translation to screen?
Listener questions inspire me to dig into how romance novels differ from romances adapted for the screen. Then, I examine the curious case of Julia Quinn's Bridgerton adaptation, sharing statements she's made on whom she could imagine (not) getting a happily ever after in historicals and a never-before-heard interview with Kianna Alexander recounting a panel from 2017.
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Ice Planet Barbarians by Ruby Dixon: it may be a Tik-Tok sensation now, but over a year ago it was a podcast sensation. Dani Lacey invited me as a guest on her podcast, Ice Planet Podcast, to discuss Barbarian's Hope, a second chance romance between two very tall blue humanoid-ish aliens with horns whose love life is controlled by a parasite. This is an edited version of that episode.
CW: loss of a child, grief, depression.
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Guest: Dani Lacey, host of Ice Planet Podcast
Dani Lacey: Twitter
Ice Planet Podcast: Website | Twitter
We Discuss:
Barbarian's Hope, Book #11 of the Ice Planet Barbarians Series by Ruby Dixon
To listen to the full original version of this episode, you can listen to episode 10 of Ice Planet Podcast here:
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How is whiteness & assimilation assumed in the "land of opportunity" narrative & myth of American immigrants? We explore: how names indicate our roots, white privilege, feelings of cultural loss, our own immigrant experiences, plus we talk about Christina Laurens' Roomies novel & upcoming film adaptation.
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Guest: Dr. Diana Filar
We talked about Roomies by Christina Lauren
Quotes about Christina Laurens' Roomies adaptation: https://ew.com/books/2018/08/16/how-hollywood-is-rekindling-the-rom-com/
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"Guilty pleasures," or is the guilt what we find pleasurable? This is the question Dr. Arielle Zibrak asks in her book, Avidly Reads Guilty Pleasures (NYU Press). Arielle joins me to explore just some of the thought-provoking arguments made in her book and coach me on letting myself enjoy imperfect media. It's not a book about romance novels (although they're discussed), but the topic is highly relevant for any media that is coded as "femme," especially stories about love.
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Guest: Dr. Arielle Zibrak
Website | Twitter | Buy Avidly Reads Guilty Pleasures
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A touch of taboo...the Joyless Hags (Katrina Jackson & Tasha L. Harrison) reunite to dissect Seducing My Guardian by Katee Robert. We ask "What is this book trying to do?" When a book opens a door, does it have to close a window somewhere?! Also some news!
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Dame Jodie Slaughter River Boat Cruise & Virtual Event with Copper Dog Books! (August 10 & 11, 2021)
Watch my PCA Presentation about Romance Reader Stereotypes!
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Guests:
Katrina Jackson: Twitter | Instagram | manage.com/subscribe?u=58e75900ea84507723594c424&id=e4c6a8ff2e">Kat’s Email newsletter | Buy Beautiful & Dirty
Kat's other episodes: An Unconditional Freedom | Polyamory/Financial Conversations | Kink | Angst | Religion | History | Blind Date With A Book Boyfriend by Lucy Eden | Modern Romance Canon
Tasha L. Harrison: Twitter | Tasha's website | Buy A Taste of Her Own Medicine
Tasha's other episodes: Tasha L. Harrison Writes Romance for Black People | A Duke by Default
We Discuss:
Seducing My Guardian by Katee Robert
Previous Joyless Hags Book Club Episodes:
083. Earth is Ghetto: Joyless Hags Book Club
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Problematizing romance: what happens when we dare to interrogate the assumptions that underlie the worlds into which we escape? Morgan & Isabeau from Whoa!mance podcast join me to discuss commodity fetishism, Marx, how it's easier to cancel than realize there is no terminus, and how we can't sloganize or consume our way out of oppression. It's the whole enchilada. Don't miss an epilogue to our conversation about North and South that pulls it all together. ("I don't want to marry you to possess you...I want to marry you because I love you!")
PS: There's an intermission half way through the episode at a natural pause point if you want to listen in 2 parts.
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Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
Morgan & Isabeau joined me in episode 076 to discuss Strange Love by Ann Aguirre
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Suspend your assumptions about rare books - Rebecca Romney shares how rare book collection can be for everyone, and is a critical component of preserving romance genre history. Work by marginalized people has frequently been considered unimportant or devalued in the rare book world - learn how Rebecca's work (part detective, part scholar, part marketer) is important not just for romance scholars, but for all of us, and how we all have a role to play.
Rebecca Romney is a rare books specialist who has been working on a catalogue surveying the history of popular romance since 2016, covering first editions of major works in the genre from the 18th century to the year 2000. She's also the co-founder of the rare book firm Type Punch Matrix, where the catalogue will be released.
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Guest: Rebecca Romney, Rare Book Dealer
Other episodes to check out, related to content in this episode:
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"Safe sex" in romance novels with Dame Jodie Slaughter, part 2. We'll finish discussing the research published in 2000 about if reading romance impacts condom usage, and then I'll share some Twitter poll results from the community about condom usage in the last contemporary romance they read, as well as some results on where folks learned information about safe sex - what's your guess on how many were impacted by media including romance novels?
Jodie and I brainstorm some ways to incorporate less commonly covered aspects of safe sex and sexual health in romance novels. Plus, how do WASPs teach sex education?
If you haven't listened to episode 086, you probably want to take a listen to part 1 of this conversation before diving in.
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Guest: Jodie Slaughter
Twitter | Instagram | Check out Jodie's Books
Research discussed:
6402.2000.tb00199.x">LOVE MEANS NEVER HAVING TO BE CAREFUL: The Relationship Between Reading Romance Novels and Safe Sex Behavior
Amanda B. Diekman, Wendi L. Gardner, Mary McDonald
Twitter Polls:
Safe Sex in last contemporary romance novel you read
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Dame Jodie Slaughter joins me to talk about sex education, the messages about safe sex in romance novels, the symbolic nature of sexual choices in romance, and discussion of research on these topics.
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Guest: Jodie Slaughter
Twitter | Instagram | Check out Jodie's Books
Research discussed:
6402.2000.tb00199.x">LOVE MEANS NEVER HAVING TO BE CAREFUL: The Relationship Between Reading Romance Novels and Safe Sex Behavior
Amanda B. Diekman, Wendi L. Gardner, Mary McDonald
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I reflect on listener favorite episodes from 2020, share what I'll be speaking more of in 2021, and say thank you to the Holiday Fairies! (Originally recorded in January when 2021 was still fresh.)
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Listener Favorite Episodes from 2020 (Popular Vote - i.e. downloads)
Jess's Favorites: (You can hear Jess on 047. Rose Lerner Double Header with Shelf Lovely Jess)
Super Special Thank You's who went above and beyond to help with Holiday Fairies:
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Evil Prince Jack Harbon busts captive romance out of its cage: is captivity and kidnapping only found in dark romance, or are its themes more prevalent? We discuss why this trope is pleasurable and different manifestations in popular culture: Beauty and the Beast, Persephone Hades, the patriarchy, medical school, and alien abduction.
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Guest: Jack Harbon
Twitter | Instagram | Website | His Beauty | Worship
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The Fascinating Link Between Alien Abduction Reports and Sadomasochistic Fantasies
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1 Bonkers Book; 3 Joyless Hags. If you could escape earth, would you happily hitch your wagon to a lizard-man's space ship? When we scratch the surface of alien abduction romance, what do we find, and does insta-love exist? All of these questions are answered in the first ever Joyless Hags Book Club. I'm joined by Tasha L. Harrison and Katrina Jackson to discuss Alien Mate Experiment by Zenobia Renquist.
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Katrina Jackson: Twitter | Instagram | manage.com/subscribe?u=58e75900ea84507723594c424&id=e4c6a8ff2e">Kat’s Email newsletter | Buy Beautiful & Dirty
Tasha L. Harrison: Twitter | Tasha's website | Buy A Taste of Her Own Medicine
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Dr. Julie Moody-Freeman, host of Black Romance Podcast, uses a multi-modal cultural studies perspective to engage students in critical engagement with Black romance texts to "liberate learners from the mimicry of the powerful."
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Guest: Dr. Julie Moody-Freeman
Center for Black Diaspora at DePaul | Twitter
Listen to Black Romance Podcast
Website | Apple Podcasts | Spotify
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Cultural Studies, Multiculturalism, and Media Culture By Douglas Kellner
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Progression of me discovering I might have ADHD:
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Guest: Dr. Margo Hendricks
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Archives and Histories of Racial Capitalism: An Afterward by Jennifer L. Morgan
A very short starter reading list sent by Dr. Hendricks:
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Have you ever wondered when Shelf Love would finally cover the unholy marriage of Colonialism, Imperialism, Capitalism, and White Supremacy? Dr. Margo Hendricks drops in to explain why you can't talk about just one because they're inextricably linked. Yes, this is still a romance novel podcast!
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Guest: Dr. Margo Hendricks
Article we talk about:
Archives and Histories of Racial Capitalism: An Afterward by Jennifer L. Morgan
Episodes Mentioned:
073 & 074 about The Secular Scripture by Northrop Frye with Dr. Angela Toscano
077 & 078 with Dame Jodie Slaughter about Twilight and Bridgerton (noodling on some ideas that eventually became my current research project)
To Be Alone With You by Jodie Slaughter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Y92DR54/
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You've heard of "there's only one bed" romance trope - are you ready for: "There's Only One Heart"? Kelly Reynolds from Boobies & Noobies invited me on her show in October 2020 and we discussed Austin Chant's Caroline's Heart. Plus, learn a bit about Shelf Love's exciting new research project.
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Book: Caroline's Heart by Austin Chant
Guest: Kelly Reynolds from Boobies & Noobies Podcast
Learn more about Shelf Love's Bridgerton Research project: https://shelflovepodcast.com/blog/posts/bridgerton-research
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Will Bridgerton inspire romance curiosity for a new generation? Jodie Slaughter became a romance reader by way of Twilight and Twilight fanfiction. When newbies take their first clumsy steps into romancelandia, will they be welcomed with the benefit of the doubt or shunned for arriving at the HEA gates too late?
Part 2 - listen to episode 77 for part 1.
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Don't miss part 1, 077. Twilight Fan Fiction: Climbing into a Can of Worms with Jodie Slaughter (part 1)
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Guest: Jodie Slaughter
Twitter | Instagram | Check out Jodie's Books
Cans of Worms:
Jodie on Shelf Love episode 061
Twitter thread referenced in this episode: Elle McKinney on Literary Blackface
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Twilight. Fan fiction. Bridgerton. Hashtag diversity. Plus countless cans of worms that we don't want to get into, yet nonetheless crank open. Dame Jodie Slaughter and I go on a journey to uncover gateways into romance, and why it's so hard to even identify that the thing people love in other media is the romance!
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Guest: Dame Jodie SlaughterTwitter | Instagram | Check out Jodie's Books
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An alien abduction romance with a delightfully unexpected exploration of sexual pleasure. Morgan and Isabeau from Whoa!mance join me to discuss how Strange Love by Ann Aguirre unpacks cultural scripts and encourages generous curiosity. Also: the origin story of the Whoa!mance intro sigh.
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Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)
Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!
Book Discussed
Misc: I mentioned the episode about My Beautiful Enemy by Sherry Thomas with Dr. Jayashree Kamble
Top Whoa!mance episode recommendations for Shelf Love listeners
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Jennifer Crusie drops in to talk about Dove Bars, dogs, normative ideals of white middle class baby boomer womanhood, divorce, unconditional love, RWA, and all the good times ahead we've been wondering about.
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Guest: Jennifer Crusie
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Dr. Angela Toscano returns to continue our discussion of The Secular Scripture by Northrop Frye and how it's an urtext for understanding the romance genre. You'll definitely want to go listen to part 1, which is episode 73, before listening to this one
In part 2, we'll be discussing how identity must evolve in romance, the possibility inherent to the romance, and how we can have more critical conversations about problematic things in romance without demanding its eradication - because let's be honest, everything is problematic.
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Listen to part 1: 073. Structuring Romance: The Secular Scripture pt 1 with Dr. Angela Toscano
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Guest: Dr. Angela Toscano
Twitter | Website | JPRS Notes & Queries | Patreon - Romance Lessons from Dr. Toscano
Books Discussed:
The Secular Scripture by Northrop Frye
What to read next if you like Frye:
The diagram I drew when reading about identity in The Secular Scripture
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies Gift Drive (2020)
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Dr. Angela Toscano, a romance scholar, writer, and researcher joins Shelf Love to discuss literary critic Northrop Frye's 1976 book The Secular Scripture: A study of the structure of romance. Although it's 44 years old and isn't only about romance novels, it has a lot to say that's relevant to the popular romance genre in the year 2020 - and Angela and I call on many examples from more recent books you may be familiar with as well as other examples from pop culture.
For example, how is the structure of romance fundamentally different from that of literary, epic works? Why is "mere entertainment" so derided by the academy and what's wrong with the phony infinite? What's the difference between a maze with no plan and a maze, not without a plan? How does romance focus on the polarity between the idyllic world we want and the subterranean world we don't want, but not the life we have? And how does the dog always know?
This is part 1 of our conversation. Part 2: out 12/26/20.
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Guest: Dr. Angela Toscano
Twitter | Website | JPRS Notes & Queries
Books Discussed:
The Secular Scripture by Northrop Frye
The Hathaways by Lisa Kleypas
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies Gift Drive (2020)
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This episode is about feelings, and romance novels, and hope, and anger, and powerlessness, and the year 2020.
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I mentioned Jayashree Kamble's idea of "the media romance," which she writes about in Making Meaning in Popular Romance Fiction (on sale until 12/31/20 for $20!) She also writes about it in her chapter in the Routledge Research Companion to Popular Romance Fiction "Romance in the Media."
Romancelandia Holiday Fairies Gift Drive (2020)
Thank you to beta listeners for this episode: Hannah Hearts Romance, Jhen, and Madison
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The Swoon Awards organizers drop in to share their exciting new romance award for readers. Ari, Amber, Lynell, and Nick were the perfect crew to join me to talk about favorite romances of the year and along the way we explain our own personal criteria for deciding what made the cut.
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Guests: The Swoon Awards
Website - submit a nomination/vote | Twitter
Ari: Goodreads ; Twitter | Amber: Blog ; Twitter | Lynell: reader.blogspot.com/">Blog ; Twitter | Nick: Blog ; Twitter
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Top Five Reads for 2020:
Ari's Top 5
Amber's Top 5
Lynell's Top 5
Nick's Top 5
Andrea's Top 5
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Jhen, host of the Monogamish Podcast, drops in to discuss consensual non-monogamy aka polyamory in popular romance. We discuss Harbor by Rebekah Weatherspoon and Neighborly by Katrina Jackson.
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Guest: Jhen from Monogamish
Jhen is a host of Monogamish, a podcast about consensual non-monogamy through the lens of a Black Carribbean lens.
Jhen on Twitter | Jhen on Instagram | Listen to Monogamish
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Scarlett Peckham, professional writer of alpha heroines, joins me to discuss her problematic favorite trope: house parties! Forced Proximity! Lunch hampers! Bed hopping! Both everything and nothing is riding on who marries whom! And of course, capitalism, imperialism, and labor exploitation. Womp womp - don't worry, they kiss at the end.
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Guest: Scarlett Peckham
Website | Twitter | Instagram | The Rakess | The Lord I Left
Book Discussed:
What I Did for A Duke by Julie Ann Long
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Guest: Dr. Danielle Knafo, a clinical psychologist who studies fantasy, perversion, sexuality, and gender. In this episode, we discuss questions like, is it harmful to start reading romance novels too young? Why might someone fantasize about things that are undesirable in real life? What's the deal with sadomasochism? Am I become a joyless hag who's sucking all the fun out of romance novels by trying to critically understand problematic faves? Is the Happily Ever After really just a way for us humans to deal with existential dread?
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Guest: Dr. Danielle Knafo
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The New Sexual Landscape and Contemporary Psychoanalysis* by Dr. Danielle Knafo and Rocco Lo Bosco
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Buy Stacy Abrams' Romance novels (Selena Montgomery)
Print is backordered, but available digitally right now
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