Dana Scully, causing the lesbian rate to skyrocket since 1993. This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with Ashley Ray (@theashleyray), Black, bisexual and polyamorous tv writer, comedian, and host of the podcast TV, I Say w/ Ashley Ray to talk about the science fiction television classic, The X-Files. If watching 9 seasons of Gillian Anderson strutting around in power suits was your gay awakening or bonus points, you have a tattoo of Gillian Anderson’s face on your leg, you’re in the right place.

This quintessential #scifi show is about fun loving lesbian Dana Scully and her twink best friend, nonbinary icon Fox Mulder, solving alien mysteries together at the FBI. We talk about Leigh and Ashley’s shared childhood experience of watching a super scary 'monster of the week' episode at way too young an age and blur 9 seasons of episodes into a mishmash of memories while trying to explain the plot to Ellie. 

Of course, because it is the #90s, the writers are convinced that Scully and Mulder are straight and give them that ‘will they, won’t they' dynamic that just drives the heteros wild. Even after they finally get together, get married, and have a child, they continue to have zero chemistry. But that’s okay, because there are other people to ship with Scully, like the controversial Monica Reyes. 

We know one thing for sure, The X-Files Should’ve Been Gay. Follow along on Twitter: Lez Hang Out (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay at the end of every episode. Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster) and Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and follow along on Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). 

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Raise your hand if you were also a teenage witch with an unhealthy, obsessively close female friendship that completely took over your life. This week Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with Maggie Lalley (@magslals), standup comic, writer, and performer of the one woman show, Sex Witch the Musical, a comedy show based on her real life journey spanning 2 years in a 2 person teen witch magic sex cult. Maggie talks about her experiences through humor so we had a lot of fun recording this episode, but we want everyone to be aware that we discuss situations of teenage sexual trauma and abuse throughout.

We do a deep dive into the weeds of Sex Witch the Musical and the fascinating, and disturbing, real life story behind it. As a quick overview, sweet, innocent 13 year old Maggie was totally entranced by a 14 year old girl from Albania that she refers to as Bethany. Bethany was not only slightly older, but also a lot more worldly and sexually experienced. She built her friendship with Maggie for 6 months before dropping the biggest plot twist of Maggie’s 13 years of life. Bethany was a witch, and so was Maggie. She convinced Maggie that she could train her to develop her powers so that she’d be able to bilocate to a parallel universe and access a place called the House.

The House was extremely cool because it was where nearly every A list celebrity of the time period was also hanging out, apparently just chilling and being secret witches and warlocks as one does. In addition to being able to bilocate, Bethany claimed to be able to channel the celebrities into her own body so that Maggie could speak with them. Then she took it a step further, convincing Maggie that she should begin a sexual relationship with one of the celebrity warlocks using Bethany’s body as a conduit. Maggie began dating and hooking up with who she truly believed to be Rupert Grint of #HarryPotter movie fame and fully considered the relationship to be a heterosexual one at the time.

Maggie’s severely cult-like experiences with Bethany stretched from 2005 to 2007 and are captured in her old journals, which served as a vital reference for her to write the musical comedy. We talk to Maggie about why she decided to create a show based on her life and how it has helped with processing the things that happened when she was a teenager. 

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When you’ve got a drive that can kill the world, who you gonna call? 5 lesbians! This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out to talk about the 2022 action movie, The 355. 

This movie has an amazing cast including Jessica Chastain, Penélope Cruz, Diane Kruger, and Bingbing Fan. With a cast like this, we really had higher expectations. We love the Ocean’s 8 vibes, but it really could’ve and should’ve been the lesbian James Bond movie we deserve. As it is, the movie is almost comically feminist in the way it makes every man a complete monster, moreso even than usual. You’ll be happy to know that no women at all are killed in spite of several attempts made on their lives. 

The plot centers around fighting over possession of a drive that can basically destroy humanity. Mace, a CIA agent, has to join forces with her enemy Marie, a German agent. Mace and Marie bicker like a married couple. They hate each other, or do they? They sure flirt a lot for two people who hate one another. We think they are set up to be the perfect enemies to lovers couple. Mace thinks Marie got her partner killed in a job gone wrong; and honestly even if Marie had gotten him killed it would’ve done everyone a huge favor. They have to team up and work together to save the world, is that not the gayest plot possible? 

We like hot women running around shooting bad guys as much as the next gal, but the movie overall falls flat and is not nearly as entertaining as it could have been. Now, add in a good gay love story and maybe it would hold our attention better.

We know one thing for sure, The 355 Should’ve Been Gay. Follow along on Twitter: Lez Hang Out (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay at the end of every episode. Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster) and Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and follow along on Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). 

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If you’re looking to get back with your ex, have you considered shipping her your child? This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) talk about the 2020 Netflix film Summerland for this Lez-ssentials episode, a recurring segment on the essential movies and TV shows in the lesbian canon.

If you have not yet seen this movie, the plot essentially is this: Reclusive lesbian hermit Alice gets stuck taking care of Frank, an 11 year old child evacuee she absolutely did not want, during WW2. At first glance this movie does not look like much of a Lez-ssentials, but it turns out that Alice taking care of Frank specifically is the absolute gayest thing she could ever do. Somehow it’s even gayer than her usual thing of investigating myths for her books, brooding on a cliffside, and scaring kids off her lawn.

Through flashbacks we see a much younger Alice in the late 1920s meeting the girl who is to become the catalyst that shifts her whole world on its axis, ie. the first girl Alice falls in love with. Vera says, “I know a place” and takes Alice to a gay bar, as one does. At first their relationship is wonderful and sweet, but things go sideways when Vera realizes that she wants a family more than she wants to be with Alice. She completely wrecks Alice’s heart and goes off to find a man to be with so that she can have the child she has always wanted. After seeing Alice get her heart stomped on, we understand better how she has turned into essentially the village witch. The baby gay to old crone pipeline is strong.

In true nonsensical romance movie logic that is somehow not just an AO3 fic plot, Frank turns out to be Vera’s son. When his father ends up being killed in the war, Frank runs away back to London and finds that his home was destroyed in the bombings. Alice goes after him and promises he can stay with her forever. She takes him home and of course Vera is waiting for them on the porch. Vera tells Alice that there was no one else she would have wanted taking care of her son and she had to go to something like 20+ stores to find someone who could get her address. In a roundabout way, Vera and Alice end up together with the family Vera always wanted. 

At the end of the episode, stick around to hear our original song based on Summerland titled “Summerland” written by Leigh Holmes Foster and produced by Ellie Brigida. Join us on Patreon at bit.ly/lezpatreon for mp3 downloads of all our original songs or find us on Bandcamp to purchase songs individually.

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This one time in the early 2000s, Peyton Sawyer rocked a flannel over her Ramones tee and queer fashion has never been the same since. This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with tv writer Layne Morgan (@laynemorgan) to talk about the early aughts teen drama sensation One Tree Hill. This show is 9 full seasons of total chaos and we dive into all of them to discuss how much better things would have been if everybody had been gay. Ellie and Layne explain the gist of the entire show to Leigh, who has never seen a single episode, and quickly realize that Brooke and Peyton walked so Quinn and Rachel could run. 

Peyton is so queer-coded it’s actually wild that our baby selves ever saw her as straight. Her and Brooke have a friends to enemies to lovers thing going on that we are suckers for. You may think Brooke’s deeply homoerotic friendship with Peyton is the gayest thing about her, but it honestly does not even make the top 10 gayest things. First of all, Brooke is played by Sophia Bush (need we even say more?). Her whole brand is about choosing herself over boys and attempting to honor her “hoes before bros” policy in spite of literally always being in a love triangle. In true early aughts fashion Peyton and Brooke are in a love triangle with Lucas, played by lesbian-stand-in Chad Michael Murray. Peyton couldn't care less about Lucas until he starts dating Brooke, and it’s so obvious that they are both displacing their feelings for one another onto him. 

In addition to Peyton and Brooke having one of the gayest relationships we’ve ever seen, Ellie and Layne are also absolute trash for Haley and big time himbo Nathan (also played by Chad Michael Murry). Although Haley and Brooke have a fun ‘and they were roommates’ thing going on that we could totally get behind, we actually are totally here for Naley’s representation of healthy communication within a couple. It’s not often that we see a healthy relationship on tv, so we’ll keep this one even though it’s straight. 

We know one thing for sure, One Tree Hill Should’ve Been Gay. Follow along on Twitter: Lez Hang Out (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay at the end of every episode. Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster) and Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and follow along on Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). 

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Are you the lone wolf that can’t be tied down or are you the relationship-seeking wooer that won’t take no for an answer? This week Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out to talk about the commonly seen media trope of a pairing that consists of one person who doesn’t want to be in a romantic relationship and one person who is 100% convinced they can change their mind. Media pretty much always only shows examples of this trope through a monogamous and allosexual lens. It completely ignores that aromantics and asexuals exist who might just really not have any interest in dating or romantic relationships, and also largely ignores that people may be seeking a relationship outside of the lens of monogamy. 

This trope is particularly gross like 90% of the time when it is applied to straight couples, but when it is applied to queer couples we think it can actually work. Often these stories play out with the man not wanting a relationship and a woman working hard to change him. But even after she does “win” a relationship with him, he still really has not changed as a person and still is overall misogynistic. There are also really uncomfortable consent issues with a man continuing to pursue a woman who consistently turns him down. The lesson these stories teach is that you can change anyone if you are the right person, which is an extremely toxic message to learn. 

The reason this trope feels so much less problematic for queer couples is that there is usually a lot more nuance behind why someone does not want a relationship. They might not be fully out yet. They may still be trying to figure out their sexuality. It might not be safe to be publicly out in their career. It’s not the same as in straight pairings where the man just is a ‘bad boy’ who doesn’t want to be tied down and just wants to sleep with whoever he wants (except in the case of Shane who is literally the queer version of that exact archetype). But in cases that aren’t Shane, it usually looks less like someone only changing due to the annoying persistence of their pursuer and instead just happening to fall in love. 

Some places we’ve seen this trope work are in Glee with Santana and Brittany, She-Ra with Catradora, and Teenage Bounty Hunters with Stepril. We also think it does occasionally work in straight media, because arguably The Notebook has this dynamic but Ellie still eats it up everytime. And we do like how 500 Days of Summer flips the trope on its head a bit, because it has the woman being the one who does not want a relationship and they do not end up together in the end. 

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For a good time, dial 1-900-LEZHANG to hang with us, Ellie and Leigh, for only $5 per minute. This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out to talk about the 2012 comedy For A Good Time, Call, which is currently available on Amazon Prime. This movie is an absolute fever dream of homosexual delight. It follows the story of Katie and Lauren, enemies turned roommates turned love of one another’s lives. What’s even better is that it is actually written by Seth Rogen’s wife Lauren and her friend Katie. We honestly cannot even handle the implications of this backstory and we hope it means that they are all in an open relationship with each other. 

Katie is a late 20s/early 30 something virgin who works as a phone sex operator and is terrified to actually talk to or date men in person. She pretends to be a huge slut who has been with tons of guys, so that no one notices that she is actually very gay. She also actively avoids being friends with girls. Katie and Lauren went to college together and share a gay best friend. They hate each other, because one time Katie was drunk and got her pee all over Lauren while she was driving her home from the bar. They both end up in housing crises and of course their GBF decides the best plan is for Katie and Lauren to become roommates. This is where everything gets truly chaotic and gayer than we ever could have hoped for.

Lauren purposefully walks in on Katie when she hears her moaning (instead of putting on headphones like a normal roommate), immediately inserts herself further into Katie’s life by helping her start her own phone sex hotline, and then everything goes from 0 to 60 real fast. From Lauren putting Katie’s dildo into her mouth to mimic the sound of a bj, to both women having practice phone sex while touching each other, to literally having a phone sex threeway and then falling asleep in the same bed, it all gets very gay very quickly. 

These women are so in love and yet the movie insists on giving Katie a male love interest. We can’t be too upset though, because the male love interest very clearly comes second to her relationship with Lauren. Right after having sex for the very first time, Katie’s first thought is ‘I love Lauren.’ She fully says this out loud to her boyfriend while he is still inside her!! How this wasn’t her gay awakening we really do not know.

We do know one thing for sure, For A Good Time, Call Should’ve Been Gay. Follow along on Twitter: Lez Hang Out (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay at the end of every episode. Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster) and Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and follow along on Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). 

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“I need a hero. I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night. She’s gotta be strong, and she’s gotta be fast, and she’s gotta for sure be a dyke.” This week Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out to talk about the ‘Dyke In Shining Armor’ trope, which we will forever be referring to as a DSA. The DSA shows up repeatedly in the media, but is also pretty prevalent within real life lesbian relationship dynamics. This trope really toes the line of being a little problematic, because it is inherently heteronormative in that it is based on the concept of a big strong man swooping in to save a helpless damsel. Yet, when we see it reflected in our onscreen queer ships, we eat that shiz up. 

We talk about when this trope works, whether it can apply to villains (Lucy Diamond anyone?), and whether the dynamic can truly exist outside of the confines of heteronormativity. We view a DSA as a dyke who will protect and rescue her chosen person from all harm. We love this dynamic because it subverts the stereotype by replacing the male in the media landscape. The other great thing about a DSA is that when there are two women in this type of relationship, typically they switch off on saving one another. Think about Nicole Haught and Waverly. Just because Nicole is the main protector, that doesn’t mean Waverly is helpless or won’t rescue her protector from time to time. This differs from the straight ‘Knight in Shining Armor’ trope in the media, because the hero is capable of being saved, whereas in a heterosexual couple this is avoided in order to refrain from “emasculating” the male character. There’s also the option in queer ships for a couple to be DSA for DSA, like Xena and Gabrielle. Xena is basically the quintessential DSA. She is literally a full on dyke saving people with a sword. Yet, she falls for Gabrielle, who is very much also a DSA. 

So many ‘strong female characters’ embody the DSA archetype, but Hollywood allows so few of them to actually be gay. We want more dykes in shining armor! Problematic patriarchal implications aside, this dynamic is delightful to see on screen and honestly is so relatable for so many queer people. If you want to treat your girl like a princess and protect her from any and all harm, potentially at the risk of your own life, you just may be a DSA. 

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It’s time for a very special LIVE 100th Should’ve Been Gay celebration! This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) are joined by two returning guests and friends of the pod, Bethany Brown (@bethanybrown) and Devon Hales (@devonhales.jpg) to talk about why Netflix’s The School for Good and Evil and new series Wednesday Should’ve Been Gay. You know Bethany from Charmed and Nancy Drew and Devon from her iconic role as April Stevens in Teenage Bounty Hunters. 

First we head to the village of Gayveldon with Bethany to chat about how overwhelmingly gay The School for Good and Evil is. From the intense chemistry of Lady Lesso and Dovey to the hardcore simping Agatha does over Sophie from the second they appear on screen, it is honestly wild to see how aggressively heterosexual the movie pretends to be. Aggie gets dropped into the School for Good, a place overflowing with frilly dresses, mean girls, and dudebros. Meanwhile, Sophie is dropped into the School for Evil, an extremely queer-coded school led by the gayest, hottest headmistress we have ever seen ie. Lady Lesso played by Charlize Theron. She thinks she is in the wrong school too, until she gets a cool haircut from Lesso’s axe in the doom room and decides to embrace her inner queer power starting with proudly obtaining and displaying her magic finger glow for all to see. 

Although they attempt to put the girls into a love triangle and give them male love interests, their efforts fall flat as Aggie spends the entire movie being a dyke in shining armor focused on protecting Sophie at all costs. In the end when all hope looks lost, only one thing can save Sophie from herself and unite the schools, true love’s kiss. We don’t know about you, but we’ve never heard of a platonic version of true love’s kiss. Agatha kisses Sophie on the lips and it brings her back to life and fixes the world, because that’s how powerful lesbian love is. Afterward, Aggie could choose to stay with her obligatory boyfriend but instead she chooses to return to Gayveldon with Sophie, her true love. 

Next up we head to Nevermore Academy with Devon to talk about how gay Wednesday is and scream about Wenclair. All we have to say is, ‘and they were roommates’! Wednesday Addams has always read as queer-coded, just as the rest of her family does. However, this series really takes it to the next level by rooming her with sparkle rainbow bisexual Enid Sinclair. This girl owns at least 6 lesbian sweaters, has bisexual Harley Quinn hair, and is the only person that Wednesday actively shows affection toward (in her own way). She also has a whole ‘conversion camp’ storyline, because she is a late bloomer and has yet to fully ‘wolf out’.

Wednesday and Enid are literally the golden retriever and black cat girlfriends we have always wanted and are fiercely protective of one another. They start off not really understanding each other, but grow to discover that opposites really do attract. Of course the series throws male love interests at both of them, but they have so much more chemistry with one another that the boys fade into the background. In the end, the only thing that finally causes Enid to go full werewolf is her love for Wednesday as she risks her life to save her from the Hyde. We are still recovering from watching them melt into a passionate hug after not touching at all for a full season. 

We know one thing for sure, The School For Good and Evil and Wednesday Should’ve Been Gay. Follow along on Twitter: Lez Hang Out (@lezhangoutpod) and answer our Q & Gay at the end of every episode. Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster) and Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). You can also join us on Facebook.com/lezhangoutpod and follow along on Instagram (@lezhangoutpod). 

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Your eyes meet across the aisle in Trader Joe’s. Then, your fingers brush as you reach for the same container of oat milk. The moment passes, but you can’t help wondering, could she have been the one? This week Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with writer and director Elle Mills (@elle.mills) to talk about her journey from longtime Youtube creator to filmmaker with her directorial debut of short film Reply available to rent now on CreatorPlus. 

Elle became a creator young with her extremely successful Youtube channel. If you’re not familiar with it, just imagine if Ferris Bueller had a Youtube channel. Elle has amassed 3.1 million followers across all platforms and reflects on the consequences of growing up on camera with no privacy. By just 19 years old, she had become burnt out and was very open about her challenges with depression and anxiety, sharing her vulnerability on her channel. But not everyone deserves your vulnerability, and it can get tricky to know where to draw the line when you are your own product. The pandemic gave Elle a chance to reflect and figure out why creating, a thing she truly loves to do, was starting to cause her so much distress. Her transition to filmmaking enables Elle to share her creativity with the world on her own terms in a way that is not at the expense of her privacy, and we absolutely love this for her. 

Reply is an adorable short film, super relatable, and features some iconic early 2000s fashion that gave us hardcore nostalgia for overalls and tye-die. Plus it's the perfect date length, because it ends right around the time you’d normally start making out during a full length film. It tells the story of two teen girls who meet and catch feelings, but never pursue them due to one having a boyfriend and some severe comphet. We talk about missed queernections and the meet-cutes that never panned out. Sometimes the what if’s are truly what stick with you the most. 

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