The ICC has dubbed Vladimir Putin personally responsible for the abductions of children from Ukraine. While the world focuses on Putin’s prospects, Deep Dish dives into the underlying issue: accountability, justice, and protection of the most vulnerable victims of war. Experts Nathaniel Raymond and Kathryn Sikkink unpack the tragic reality of child abductions during times of conflict, how the indictments might affect these Ukrainian children, and whether this could truly deter child abductions in future war crimes. 

Reading List:

• Russia's Systematic Program for the Re-Education and Adoption of Ukrainian Children, Humanitarian Research Lab, Yale School of Public Health, February 14, 2023

• Evidence for Hope: Making Human Rights Work in the 21st Century, Kathryn Sikkink, Princeton University Press, March 5, 2019

• The Justice Cascade: How Human Rights Prosecutions are Changing World Politics, Kathryn Sikkink, W. W. Norton & Company, September 26, 2011

Deep Dish is back after a brief break with a new theme song and some exciting news: occasional host Lizzy Shackelford is joining as an official co-host. To celebrate, Brian and Lizzy talk to each other and give you a chance to get to know them more personally. From what led them to a career grappling with global affairs to their hobbies and interests, we're exploring it all. Tune in to meet the hosts who bring you Deep Dish each week and get ready for a few surprises along the way!

On Deep Dish, we’re revisiting our conversation about the world of espionage and the secrets of intelligence gathering with Amy Zegart, author of Spies, Lies, and Algorithms. As new technology continues to disrupt all aspects of our lives, Zegart explains how these innovations are changing espionage and why spy myths perpetuated by Hollywood often get in the way of understanding threats.

[This episode originally aired: March 24, 2022]

Related Content:  

• Spies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence, Amy Zegart, Princeton University Press, February 1, 2022 

• Senate Intelligence Hearing on Worldwide Threats, PBS NewsHour, March 8, 2023 

• Report-Digital-1.pdf"> National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence, Final Report, March 19, 2021

Since Mahsa Amini’s death in Iranian custody last September, protesters—many women and Gen Z activists—have demanded greater freedom, including an end to the mandatory hijab. Narges Bajoghli of Johns Hopkins University and women of the Iranian diaspora join Deep Dish to explore Iran’s ongoing protests, their significance for the global women's movement, and the push for gender equality.

Mexico’s President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s recent moves to undermine the country’s National Electoral Institute have sparked massive pro-democracy protests and stoked fears that the country is backsliding into authoritarianism. On Deep Dish, Denise Dresser, Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México, and Guillermo Trejo, Notre Dame and Kellogg Institue, discuss Mexico’s future and why everyone should care that the country’s elites are weakening and dismantling democratic systems. 

Reading List:

• Mexico’s Dying Democracy, Denise Dresser, Foreign Affairs, October 21, 2022 

• Mexico’s Illiberal Democratic Trap, Guillermo Trejo, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, February 17, 2021 

One year ago, Russia launched its brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, but perhaps the greatest surprise has been the emergence of one of the most significant wartime leaders of the 21st century. How did Volodymyr Zelensky become the guiding force we know today? On Deep Dish, Olga Onuch, author of “The Zelensky Effect,” dives into the story of the ordinary Ukrainian who rose to command the global stage.    

Reading List:

• The Zelensky Effect, Olga Onuch and Henry E. Hale, Oxford University Press, March 1, 2023 

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Globalization is said to have fused our economies, societies, and cultures—but what if our world is not as globalized as we think? On Deep Dish, Shannon O’Neil, author of “The Globalization Myth,” argues that, in fact, regionalization has played a more key role in global economic competition, discussing the implications for the United States and the future of the world’s economy.   

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Israel’s right-wing legislators have taken aim at the country’s supreme court. Their proposal to overhaul and limit the judiciary has sparked mass protest and debate and could dramatically change the balance of power. Joining Deep Dish from Israel are Times of Israel journalist Tal Schneider and legal scholar Tamar Hostovsky Brandes to examine the judicial reform proposal, its potential impact on political checks and balance, and whether the nation’s democracy is at risk.

Unrest & instability has surrounded Peruvian politics for the last seven years as six different presidents have taken office. Over the past month, anti-government protests have erupted, uniting disenfranchised Peruvians who are demanding that the newest president, Dina Boluarte, step down. Reporting from Peru, Cynthia Sanborn and Ryan Dube explore what is driving the unrest, unpack Peru’s unprecedented political instability and why democracy is at stake on Deep Dish. 

Reading List:

• Peru's Overlapping Messes, Cynthia Sanborn & Beatriz García Nice, Wilson Center, Jan 20, 2023 
• Peruvian Protesters March in Capital Against Government, Ryan Dube, Wall Street Journal, Jan 20, 2023 

Brazilian authorities swiftly detained more than 1,500 pro-Bolsonaro rioters in connection with the January 8 attack on Brazil's capital and have charged dozens in recent days. Following the insurrection, what deeper challenges lie ahead for Brazil's president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva? On Deep Dish, Sarah Esther Maslin and Ryan Berg unpack Brazil’s response and what the future holds for one of the world’s largest democracies.

Reading List:

• A copycat insurrection in Brazil, and its troubling aftermath, Sarah Esther Maslin, The Economist, January 12, 2023

This Friday, Japan’s Prime Minister, Fumio Kishida will make his first visit to Washington, DC for a summit meeting with President Biden. On Deep Dish, Council on Foreign Relations’ Sheila Smith and Hudson Institute’s Masashi Murano explore what is behind Japan’s new security vision, how the changes are viewed generationally by the Japanese public, and what this means for the future of the US-Japan security alliance to address rising threats from China.

Reading List:

• How Japan Is Doubling Down on Its Military Power, Sheila Smith, Council on Foreign Relations, December 20, 2022

From Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the climate crisis, to soaring food and energy prices, headlines in 2022 have been tough. If this barrage of negative news has made you want to switch off, you’re not alone. On Deep Dish, behavioral science expert Dr. Kris Lee and former Foreign Policy editor-in-chief Jonathan Tepperman share tips for how to reframe your global outlook and navigate anxiety in 2023. Plus, Deep Dish listeners comment on how the heavy news affects their mood and how they cope as global citizens.  

Reading List:

• The Fix: How Countries Use Crises to Solve the World’s Worst Problems, Jonathan Tepperman, Crown; Reprint edition, July 25, 2017 
• Worth the Risk: How to Microdose Bravery to Grow Resilience, Connect More, and Offer Yourself to the World, Kristen Lee, Sounds True, June 14, 2022 

As digital technologies and social media have evolved to dominate our everyday lives, governments and businesses – at home and abroad - have been able to collect vast troves of our personal information. On Deep Dish, author Aynne Kokas explains why China has been so effective at collecting and “trafficking” the data of United States and other foreign citizens, and how this data could give them a geopolitical advantage. Plus, we hear from data privacy attorneys on the state of regulation protecting user data. 

Reading List:

• Trafficking Data: How China Is Winning the Battle for Digital Sovereignty, Aynne Kokas, November 1, 2022, Oxford University Press 

FIFA World Cup 2022 has reached its nail-biting knock-out stage. For big-spending hosts Qatar, the tournament has provided an opportunity to bask in the international spotlight, but it has also drawn scrutiny of human rights and the treatment of migrant workers in the Gulf state. On Deep Dish, Jules Boykoff & Minky Worden discuss the growing phenomenon of sportswashing, why sport appeals to autocratic governments, and how businesses, athletes, and fans can respond. Plus, we spoke to sports writers and analysts to understand how fans perceive accusations of sportswashing. 

Reading List:

• Qatar 2022: China and Iran Confront the Political Power of the World Cup, Chris Morris, Chicago Council on Global Affairs, November 28, 2022

• NOlympians: Inside the Fight Against Capitalist Mega-Sports in Los Angeles, Tokyo and Beyond, Jules Boykoff, Fernwood Publishing, April 01, 2020 

• The World Cup is Exciting, Lucrative, and Deadly, Minky Worden, Newsweek, August 23, 2022 

As protests have erupted throughout China, in response to lockdowns imposed from the government’s zero-COVID policy, some protesters have broadened their criticisms of the government, including even calls for President Xi to step down. On Deep Dish, journalist Lizzi Lee reports on what is transpiring, and author Teresa Wright discusses the frequency and nature of protest in modern China and why this latest wave could destabilize China’s political system. 

Reading List:

• Popular Protest in China, Teresa Wright, Polity, July 2018 
• The Perils of Protest: State Repression and Student Activism in China and Taiwan, Teresa Wright, University of Hawaii Press, March 1, 2001 
• elgar.com/shop/gbp/handbook-of-protest-and-resistance-in-china-9781786433770.html"> Handbook of Protest and Resistance in China, Edited by Teresa Wright, Edward Elgar Publishing, June 18, 2019 

Deep Dish is taking this week off for the Thanksgiving holiday in the US, but we'll be back next week with a new episode! In the meantime, here’ a quick note about Giving Tuesday. We’re able to make this show because of the support from our community of listeners —people like you!    

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Thank you for your support and join us next week for another slice of Deep Dish when we discuss sportswashing. With the Qatar World Cup underway and mired in controversy, we’ll examine how governments use major sporting tournaments to burnish their image at home and abroad and ask whether the global exposure that comes with these events can be used to advance issues like human rights. 

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Winter is coming, temperatures are dropping, and people in Europe and elsewhere face a cost-of-living crisis that would have seemed unimaginable only a year ago. On Deep Dish, young people across Europe share how they are coping with the rising costs. Then, the European Council on Foreign Relations’ Susi Dennison unpacks how overlapping economic, climate, and geopolitical crises are shaping people’s lives and could alter the continent’s politics. 

This episode is in collaboration with our wider organization's listening project, the Winter Diaries. Are you a young person living in Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, or the United States? We want to hear from you and will share and amplify your stories. We hope you’ll engage with us by posting on Instagram, tagging @globalaffairscouncil, and using #WinterDiaries.

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North Korea fired over 80 missiles last week, triggering evacuation alerts in parts of Japan and South Korea. On Deep Dish, a Japanese citizen shares a firsthand reaction and their concerns for nuclear risks from North Korea. Plus, Stimson Center’s Jenny Town discusses what Kim Jong-un is trying to achieve and how the United States and its regional allies can reduce the risk of escalation. 

Reading List:

• Americans Focused Elsewhere as Tensions Rise on the Korean Peninsula, Karl Friedhoff, Chicago Council on Global Affairs, November 6, 2022
• Thinking Nuclear: South Korean Attitudes on Nuclear Weapons, Toby Dalton, Karl Friedhoff, and Lami Kim, Chicago Council on Global Affairs, February 21, 2022 
• Preventing Nuclear Proliferation and Reassuring America's Allies, Ivo H. Daalder, Chuck Hagel, Malcolm Rifkind, and Kevin Rudd, Chicago Council on Global Affairs, February 10, 2021

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva’s victory in Brazil’s presidential election is part of a larger leftward shift in Latin American politics in recent years that stretches from Mexico to Chile. On Deep Dish, Brazilian students share some of the issues facing their country as they went to the polls and the challenges the new president will face. Plus, expert Yannik John discusses what the world should expect from this new wave of Latin American leaders and whether this leftward shift represents a new “pink tide”.  

Reading List:

• Latin America’s Second Pink Tide Looks Very Different from the First, Oliver Stuenkel, Americas Quarterly, July 18, 2022 

• Pink Tide 2.0? The same trap awaits, Yannik John, Global Americans, September 22, 2022 

This episode is sponsored by UL Solutions.  

From microwaves to missiles, smartphones to the stock market, microchips are essential to modern economies and future technological advancements. On Deep Dish, we hear from a representative of a manufacturing sector on how critical chips are to businesses and consumers and the effects of a global shortage. And Chip War author Chris Miller argues that microchips – not data - are the new oil and discusses what this means for the geopolitical contest between the US and China. 

Reading List:

• Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology, Chris Miller, Scribner, October 4, 2022 

This episode is sponsored by the Dr. Scholl Foundation. 

This week, the Chinese Communist Party hosts its twice-a-decade National Congress and President Xi Jinping is set to secure power for a third term. Nonresident Senior Fellow Paul Heer joins Deep Dish to argue the importance of engagement with China as a necessary component of US foreign policy. If we do not pursue it, he says, we are missing opportunities for a more peaceful coexistence between both countries and the world. 

This episode originally aired on August 4, 2022. 

President Putin has demanded the West take his nuclear threats seriously and North Korea is rumored to preparing to undertake a nuclear test in the coming days. On Deep Dish, South Korean and Ukrainian citizens share what it is like to live under the looming shadow of possible nuclear warfare and Ankit Panda discusses whether the nuclear taboo is likely to be broken and how the world should respond. 

President Putin mobilized over 300,000 military reservists to buttress Russia’s battered forces, prompting protests and an exodus of Russians to neighboring countries. On Deep Dish, recently fled Russian social media personalities share their perspective on the darkening political climate in their homeland. And independent journalist and filmmaker Mikhail Fishman and Moscow Times’ Leyla Latypova discuss how Russia’s reversals on the battlefield are transforming the nation's politics and society and could even threaten Putin’s leadership. 

Iran has entered its 12th day of protests following the death of #MahsaAmini in morality police custody. On Deep Dish, women in the Iranian diaspora share firsthand the severity of what is transpiring, and Narges Bajoghli of Johns Hopkins University unpacks why these demonstrations are different and strike at the core of Iran’s regime.

Yesterday, Chinese President Xi Jinping met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Uzbekistan. While these nations are assumed to be America’s chief geostrategic competitors, Russia’s faltering invasion of Ukraine has isolated its economy, degraded its military, and undermined its international standing. Former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and Wilson Center’s Lucian Kim join Deep Dish to discuss what the war in Ukraine has revealed about Russia’s global power and whether it can still be considered a great power. 

Last week power struggles between rival Shia groups erupted in deadly street battles that sparked fears of a renewed cycle of violence. Chatham House’s Renad Mansour joins Deep Dish and argues that the conventional view that Iraq’s political instability is driven by sectarian and ethnic divisions is wrong. Rather, the real cleavage is between a permanent political elite, across faith and ethnic divisions, who work together to divide up state resources to benefit themselves at the expense of the Iraqi people. 

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While a 20-year war has ended, the Afghan people continue to suffer, now under a collapsed economy. International Crisis Group’s Laurel Miller and US Institute of Peace’s Andrew Watkins join Deep Dish guest host Elizabeth Shackelford to discuss how the international community's isolation of the Taliban has helped precipitate suffering in Afghanistan, and what can and should be done to help.  

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William Ruto has been declared winner of Kenya’s presidential election, after edging out longtime opposition leader Raila Odinga by a narrow margin. Odinga has refused to concede, will likely challenge the results in court, and his supporters took to the streets to protest in the election center. Uppsala University’s Kathleen Klaus and International Crisis Group’s Murithi Mutiga join Deep Dish guest host Elizabeth Shackelford to unpack election results, what it means for Kenya, the broader region, and democracy on the continent.

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Ukraine is home to millennia-old culture, including some of the holiest sites of the Orthodox faith. Now, facing a brutal artillery campaign and intentional cultural persecution by Russia, Ukraine’s identity is under attack. But Ukraine is not alone in having its heritage threatened by war, despite this being a war crime. Kyiv-based museum director Olesia Ostrovska-Liuta and Jim Cuno, former President of the Getty Trust, join Deep Dish to help us understand why protecting cultural heritage in Ukraine, and in other conflicts is so important, and what the international community can do to help. 

Reading List:

• Inheritance, Olesia Ostrovska-Liuta, Ukraine Crisis Media Center, March 16, 2022 

• Protecting Cultural Heritage in Ukraine and Beyond, James Cuno and Thomas G. Weiss, Wall Street Journal, April 14, 2022 

• Cultural Heritage and Mass Atrocities, Edited by James Cuno and Thomas G. Weiss, Getty Publications, September 20, 2022 

• museum-ukraine-war-notebook.html"> How the War Changed a Kyiv Museum’s View of Its Past, Jason Farago, New York Times, August 10, 2022 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's controversial Taiwan trip came amid increasingly harsh warnings of retaliations from Beijing and escalating US-China tensions. Nonresident Senior Fellow Paul Heer joins Deep Dish to argue the importance of engagement with China as a necessary component of US foreign policy. If we do not pursue it, he says, we are missing opportunities for a more peaceful coexistence between both countries and the world. 

Reading List:

• The Next Taiwan Strait Crisis Has Arrived, Paul Heer, The National Interest, August 2, 2022 
• Engagement With China Has Not Failed, Paul Heer, The National Interest, July 14, 2022 
• Understanding U.S.-China Strategic Competition, Paul Heer, The National Interest, October 20, 2020

Two weeks ago, Sri Lankans stormed the residence of the President and Prime Minister, following months of protests against corruption and worsening economic conditions. Saddled with billions of dollars of foreign debt and facing the lingering economic effects of the pandemic and Russia’s war on Ukraine, Sri Lankans face rampant inflation and dire shortages of fuel, foods, and medicines. Dialogue Advisory Group’s Ram Manikkalingam joins Deep Dish to explore how this island nation, whose economy was once held up as a success story in South Asia, has come apart, and what this experience reveals about the pressures faced by other nations across the Global South. 

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In recent years, the United States has accounted for nearly three-quarters of the world’s mass shootings and forty-six percent of all private gun ownership worldwide — more than 10 times its share of the global population. University of Sydney Professor Phillip Alpers joins a special live edition of Deep Dish to discuss how other nations have tried to prevent mass shootings and firearm homicides, how successful those attempts have been, and what the US can learn from other countries’ approaches to gun violence. 

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Reading List:

Firearm Registration, Gun Owner Licensing and the Right to Possess Firearms - Global Comparisons, Philip Alpers, GunPolicy.org, July 16, 2022 

Joe Biden is currently on his first trip to the Middle East as President, which will include a controversial meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. On the campaign trail, Biden pledged to make Saudi Arabia a “pariah”, but with gas prices punishing American consumers, and Russia and China court Riyadh, Biden’s tone and policy toward the Kingdom has rapidly evolved. Council on Foreign Relations’ Martin Indyk and Democracy for the Arab World Now’s Sarah Leah Whitson join Deep Dish to discuss the human rights, energy, and geopolitical dimensions of the US–Saudi relationship. 

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Reading List:

• The Case for a New U.S.-Saudi Strategic Compact, Steven A. Cook and Martin S. Indyk, Council on Foreign Relations, June 2022 

• America’s Middle East ‘Withdrawal’ Breathes Its Last Breath, Sarah Leah Whitson, The American Prospect, June 24, 2022 

Recent US Supreme Court rulings on abortion, religion in school, gun control, and climate regulation will have far-reaching implications for Americans. How does the role that the Supreme Court plays in US democracy compare to Supreme Courts in other democracies? Constitutional law experts Daniel Brinks and Tom Ginsburg join Deep Dish to explore the uniqueness of the US Supreme Court and what we can learn from the functioning of the judicial branch of other nations’ governments.

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As global institutions focused on research, innovation, and ideas, universities have historically been closely tied to geopolitical power. Today, America’s world-leading universities face growing competition, particularly from China, with far-reaching implications. Chronicle of Higher Education senior writer Karin Fischer and Harvard Business School professor and author William Kirby join Deep Dish to discuss how America's universities achieved their global preeminence, why this is now threatened, and how they might respond.

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Reading List:

• Latitudes, Karin Fischer, The Chronicle of Higher Education
• Empires of Ideas: Creating the Modern University from Germany to America to China, William C. Kirby, Harvard University Press

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Mercenaries from the Wagner Group have been in the headlines recently for their alleged role in war crimes in Ukraine. But the Kremlin-linked paramilitary group has been active in Africa for several years, where it provides a wide range of services to governments across the continent. For this week's Deep Dish, the Council’s Elizabeth Shackelford is joined by Federica Saini Fasanotti of the Institute for International Political Studies in Milan to discuss how Wagner’s growing footprint in Africa supports Russia’s strategic and commercial interests. 

Reading List:

• Russia’s Wagner Group in Africa: Influence, commercial concessions, rights violations, and counterinsurgency failure, Federica Saini Fasanotti, Brookings Institution
• opinion-russia-africa-putin-wagner-group-shackelford-20220616-radgwoddknhplivjds3fwttm5i-story.html">To Beat Russian Influence in Africa, the West Must Offer Something Better, Elizabeth Shackelford, Chicago Tribune

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With richly fertile soil and easy access to international markets, Ukraine has been called the breadbasket of Europe. Following Russia’s invasion, the country’s grain exports have plummeted, leading to worldwide food price increases of 23 percent and hundreds of thousands facing starvation in the Middle East and Africa. As a global hunger crisis soars, food security experts Ertharin Cousin and Teresa Welsh join Deep Dish to dissect the root causes of modern food insecurity and analyze actions we must take to protect the world’s most vulnerable populations.

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Last week, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi met with ten Pacific nations to propose a sweeping trade and security agreement. China's intensifying diplomacy in the Pacific demonstrates the region’s growing geostrategic importance. China experts Patrick Cronin and Bonnie Glaser join Deep Dish to discuss China’s strategy in the Pacific, and how the US should respond. 

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Reading:

Pacific-Islands-Matter-for-America.pdf">The Pacific Islands Matter for America/America Matters for the Pacific Islands, East-West Center 

If the United States overturns Roe vs. Wade later this year, it would be a stark policy shift 50 years after the landmark Supreme Court decision on women’s rights. The World Health Organization’s Bela Ganatra and the Center for Reproductive Rights’ Katherine Mayall join Deep Dish to look at global trends on reproductive rights and how the US compares.

This week Ukrainian forces pushed the Russians out of their second largest city, Kharkiv, a triumph that most military analysts would have considered unthinkable two months ago. With Putin’s concerns about his legacy, experts believe we could be heading into a dangerous stalemate. Former National Security Council official Fiona Hill joins Deep Dish to analyze Putin’s motivation for the war, his plans, and what is at stake for the world.

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This week political dynasty heir and TikTok star Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr. brought his corrupt family back to power in the Philippines 36 years after his father was ousted in a public revolution. The Washington Post’s Regine Cabato joins Deep Dish to explain how Filipinos lost faith in democracy, why disinformation works so well in the Philippines, and whether the new administration will bring the country closer to China or the United States.   We'd love to know your thoughts about the show! Leave us a review. 

Russian state TV aired a chilling propaganda video showing nuclear destruction in the United Kingdom this week, echoing bluster from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on nuclear escalation over Ukraine. Former US Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller, who negotiated the New START treaty with Russia, joins Deep Dish to explain how Russia’s actions have altered conversations on arms control and why it’s still critical for the United States and Russia to work together to prevent nuclear war.    Like the show? Leave us a review!

China’s latest economic data show the lowest GDP growth expectation in 30 years, rising unemployment, and slowing industrial production in part due to strict COVID-19 lockdowns. Victor Shih joins Deep Dish to explain how inflation and the war in Ukraine will compound this decline, what it means for the Chinese Communist Party and Xi Jinping’s leadership, and whether Xi’s demand for China to match the United States’ growth in 2022 is possible.

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Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Imran Khan falsely blamed a United States-led conspiracy for his removal from office last week, feeding anti-American sentiment among his supporters. Brookings’ Madiha Afzal returns to Deep Dish to unpack the ways Pakistan’s political instability interacts with geopolitical competition involving China, Russia, and the United States, and explains why it’s time for the United States to rethink its troubled relationship with the nuclear-armed power.

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In response to Russia’s war on Ukraine, the European Union hopes to decrease its dependence on Russian energy by two-thirds within a year. The Oxford Institute for Energy Studies’ James Henderson joins Deep Dish to look at Europe’s options, how to achieve them, likely effects on energy markets and global politics, and implications for green energy and climate change.

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Shocking images and accounts emerged from Bucha over the weekend, providing more evidence of Russian atrocities in their war on Ukraine. Forty-one countries, including the United States, have now referred Russia to the International Criminal Court for prosecution. Karen Alter and Rebecca Hamilton join Deep Dish to look at the system for prosecuting war crimes, its record of success and limitations, as well as the politics behind who gets prosecuted and why. Like the show? Leave us a review!

India’s choice to remain neutral on the Ukraine war aligns with their historic foreign policy choices and current security interests, Tanvi Mandan and Srinath Raghavan argue. They join Deep Dish host Brian Hanson to explain the long-term relationship between Delhi and Moscow, why the United States shouldn’t pressure India to choose sides, and where China fits in India’s calculations.  Don't forget to leave us a rating and review!

New technologies like artificial intelligence, quantum computing, and social media have transformed the intelligence community and given the United States’ adversaries new tools to observe and influence global politics. The Hoover Institution’s Amy Zegart joins Deep Dish to discuss her new book Spies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence and why she warns that, faced with these looming threats, the US is losing its intelligence advantage.  

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For the last three weeks, people around the world have been watching the war in Ukraine unfold on their phones, intimately observing live footage of the conflict’s devastation alongside rampant fake news from Russia claiming the war isn’t real. Disinformation experts Bret Stephens and Julia Davis join Deep Dish to examine why Putin’s narrative isn’t working outside Russia, how long it can dupe the Russian public, and what all of us can do to combat the spread of misinformation.   Like this episode? Leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. 

Around the world, authoritarianism is rising and women’s rights are declining—and it’s not a coincidence that’s happening at the same time. Valerie Hudson and Zoe Marks join Deep Dish to explain how sexism undermines national security, why autocrats are afraid of women, and why progress on gender equality is essential for democracy, prosperity, and stability.  LIke the show? Leave us a review!

The United States, the European Union, and a host of other countries (even Switzerland!) are hoping to stop Putin’s war on Ukraine by placing Russia under the most extreme sanctions package ever enacted on a single country. But will it make a difference? The New York Times’ Matina Stevis-Gridneff and sanctions expert Nicholas Mulder join Deep Dish to explain how sanctions work, what they mean for real people, and whether they are likely to stop the war or make it worse.  Like the show? Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. 

In a fiery speech on Monday, Russia’s President Putin laid out a stark, politically motivated, and false account of Ukraine’s history to justify his full-scale invasion. His main argument? Ukraine is historically not a sovereign nation, but a long-lost part of Russia. A part Russia wants—and will take—back. Historian Kathryn David joins host Brian Hanson on Deep Dish to explain the real history and how it explains the conflict today.  Like the show? Leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. 

A sharp rise in attempted coups in the last year—more than in the last five years combined—emphasizes democracy’s global decline. Coup d'état experts Jonathan Powell and Erica De Bruin join the Council’s Elizabeth Shackelford on Deep Dish to explore the issues driving coups around the world and how to stop them.  Don't forget to give the show a rating and leave a review wherever you get your podcasts! It helps others find Deep Dish and learn more about global affairs. 

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North Korea’s long-range missile launch this week—already the seventh test in 2022—has the potential to reach the US territory of Guam and destabilize regional alliances. Former National Security Council leaders Victor Cha and Sue Mi Terry join Deep Dish to explain why North Korea appears to be acting with impunity and why the United States can’t afford to ignore the situation. Reading The Last Chance to Stop North Korea? U.S. Aid Could Help Revive Nuclear Diplomacy – by Victor Cha, Foreign Affairs 

North Korea’s Nuclear Family - How the Kims Got the Bomb and Why They Won’t Give It Up –  by Sue Mi Terry, Foreign Affairs  

Afghanistan is in on the brink of the worst humanitarian crisis in recent memory: the economy is in a tailspin, famine is looming, food prices are skyrocketing, formal sector jobs have disappeared, and cash is scarce. The International Crisis Group’s Laurel Miller and former US Ambassador to Afghanistan P. Michael McKinley join Deep Dish to explain what led us here after the abrupt US exit five months ago and why it’s not too late for solutions.  Take our listener survey! 

At least 164 people are dead and thousands are imprisoned after mysterious instigators overtook Kazakhstan’s peaceful protests and Russian troops brutally cracked down on demonstrators. Journalist Joanna Lillis and researcher Nargis Kassenova join Deep Dish to unpack the domestic politics driving civil society action and whether Kremlin interference is the new norm in a critically important country for Russia, China, and the United States.  

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One year after the attack on the United States Capitol, 64 percent of Americans believe US democracy is "in crisis and at risk of failing," an NPR/Ipsos poll revealed this week. Democracy expert Larry Diamond joins Deep Dish to explain why democracy has been declining around the world for the last 15 years and offer urgent solutions to stop its retreat.  

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A major Russian troop buildup on the Ukrainian border has the international community concerned about the possibility of an invasion. The Atlantic Council’s Melinda Haring and George Washington University’s Maria Snegovaya join Deep Dish to explain the factors driving Russia’s threats against Ukraine, what’s going on in Putin’s mind, and why this conflict matters for the world.

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Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine is dominating headlines, but another crisis looms in Eastern Europe: the Balkans. Bosnia and Herzegovina experts Jasmin Mujanović and Patrice McMahon join Deep Dish to explain why the risk of conflict is so high and how Europe and the United States can help ensure more than a decade of peace continues.  

This holiday season we’re all seeing the impact of shifts in the global trade system firsthand while shopping: shortages, high prices, and long shipping delays. The Economist’s Soumaya Keynes joins Deep Dish to explain why this situation is about more than just supply chains or COVID-19—it's about politics and the way our world is dismantling the rules-based trade system.  

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At least 2,000 Middle Eastern migrants spent weeks trapped at checkpoints between Belarus and Poland—unable to legally enter the European Union and, until today, unable to return to Belarus or go home. Former US Ambassador to Poland Daniel Fried joins host Brian Hanson on Deep Dish to explain how Belarus’ strongman President Lukashenka weaponized these migrants as a tool of "hybrid war," and why Russia’s President Putin looms behind this crisis—and others—on Europe’s doorstep.

As countries finalize their commitments at the UN Climate Conference, COP26, soaring global energy prices and shortages around the world emphasize our world’s current dependence on fossil fuels. The Economist’s Vijay Vaitheeswaran and the Just Transition Initiative’s Sandeep Pai join Deep Dish to explain what the energy crisis tell us about the costs of a green energy transition and how to manage shocks in a way that ensures countries and communities with fewer resources are not left behind. 

Recent US intelligence and defense agency reports warn that a warming climate is a fundamental threat to US national security by raising geopolitical tensions, increasing instability, and driving mass migration. The Center for Climate and Security’s Erin Sikorsky and the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft’s Anatol Lieven join Deep Dish to examine what a climate-focused US national security and defense strategy might look like and how to balance other competing threats.

China’s rapid recent nuclear expansion—from a hypersonic missile test to hundreds of new nuclear missile silos—is a stark contrast to years of a minimum deterrence approach. To explain the shift, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s Tong Zhao joins host Brian Hanson on Deep Dish to unpack China’s nuclear strategy, the need for nuclear stability, and how to avoid an arms race or worse.

2020 marked the most significant increase in US domestic terrorism in a quarter-century, data from the Center for Strategic and International Studies reveals. The University of Chicago’s Kathleen Belew and Robert Pape join Deep Dish to explain the trends they believe are driving the uptick and the role war and conflict play in shaping these groups. Further Reading

• The Capitol Rioters Aren’t Like Other Extremists, the Atlantic, by Robert Pape

• What an Analysis of 377 Americans Arrested or Charged in the Capitol Insurrection Tells Us, Washington Post, by Robert Pape

• Bring the War Home by Kathleen Belew

• paso-terrorism.html">The Right Way to Understand White Nationalist Terrorism,  New York Times, by Kathleen Belew

For decades, American foreign policy on Taiwan has been rooted in strategic ambiguity, but after China’s President Xi Jinping’s call for “reunification” with Taiwan and record military presence near the island, is it time to rethink this approach? Rand Corporation’s Michael Mazarr and the Commander Michele Lowe join Deep Dish to explore the options in a constructive debate on the benefits—and costs—of a shift in policy.

The 2021 Chicago Council Survey shows Americans are on board with the majority of the Biden administration’s foreign policy agenda, which is focused on decisions that benefit everyday Americans. But when it comes to trade, there are important differences between public opinion and this approach to foreign policy. Council President Ivo Daalder and the American Enterprise Institute’s Kori Schake join Deep Dish to explain what Americans think of a "Foreign Policy for the Middle Class” and why the administration should reassess some of their assumptions.  

After the episode, explore the data. 

German voters prioritized stability in the first post-Merkel election—voting for the party who most emulated the former chancellor’s approach to government, the Social Democrats (SPD), instead of Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU). What does the narrow SPD victory tell us about the German political landscape and important Western trends like populism? Ulrike Franke and Sheri Berman join Deep Dish to explain how potential coalition governments could shape German foreign policy and the relationship with the United States.  

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau gambled on a snap election that left him in power, but without a majority in Parliament. With an election behind him, can he make progress on the critical foreign policy issues his government must tackle—from COVID-19 to multilateral engagement—during his third term? Canadian political scientists Roland Paris and Jennifer Welsh join Deep Dish to explain why it’s time for a reset on Canadian foreign policy.  

Years of underinvestment, politicization, and data on looming retention problems raise urgent questions about the need for change in the United States Department of State. Ambassador Marcie Ries and Charles B. Rangel International Affairs Fellow Constanza Castro Zúñiga join Deep Dish to explain why diplomacy is still critical for American foreign policy and offer solutions to reimagine the diplomatic service for a new generation.

The US military may have exited the conflict in Afghanistan, but thousands of those who helped during the war remain. What does the United States owe those we leave behind, and is there a better way to prevent chaos and loss of life after war? Virginia Tech’s Amanda Demmer and the Council’s Elizabeth Shackelford join Deep Dish to explore the lessons from past military evacuations in Vietnam and South Sudan and what they tell us about the coming days in Afghanistan.  

Globalization promised us collaboration, peace, and prosperity. But did the connectivity that linked our world together increase conflict and drive our geopolitical priorities farther apart? The European Council on Foreign Relation’s Mark Leonard joins Deep Dish to discuss his new book The Age of Unpeace and his proposal for policymakers navigating our connected future. 

After weeks of finger-pointing and accusations about the catastrophic US retreat from Afghanistan, we’re taking a step back to ask some big-picture questions. What if the problem isn’t the exit, but the strategy that started the intervention in the first place: counterinsurgency? US Naval War College author Jacqueline Hazelton joins Deep Dish to explain what went wrong and why we’re doomed to repeat our mistakes if we don’t shift strategies. 

What will the Taliban’s Afghanistan takeover mean for Pakistan—a US ally, a nuclear power, and a country beset by its own terrorism threats—and will the government’s decades-long support of the Taliban backfire? Brookings’ Madiha Afzal and the Financial Times’ Farhan Bokhari join Deep Dish to explain Pakistan’s priorities, foreign policy, and options for the future.

Cryptocurrencies have moved away from their anarchic origins to spark political conversations that could shift national currencies and redefine the global economy. Former Chairman of the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission Tim Massad and the Financial Times’ Gillian Tett join Brian Hanson on Deep Dish to explore digital currencies and their effect on geopolitics. 

China’s massive investment in Africa through the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) has prompted concern over political influence—enough for the G-7 to form a rival initiative, the Build Back Better World (B3W). The Center for Global Development’s Gyude Moore and the US Navy’s Michele Lowe join Elizabeth Shackelford on Deep Dish to explore whether these programs are positive or negative and how African countries can take control of their futures. 

This week a bipartisan group of US senators introduced a bill to reform the 48-year-old War Powers Act—the law intended to check a president’s ability to declare war. Yale Law School’s Oona Hathaway joins Deep Dish to explain why it’s so important for Congress to revive its war powers and offer a potential solution. 

Haiti is in political turmoil after President Moïse’s assassination in his home last week. The Miami Herald’s Jacqueline Charles and the University of Virginia’s Robert Fatton Jr. join Deep Dish to assess the country’s stability, how international interference factored into the hollowing out of democratic institutions, and what could tip the scales towards disaster or hope for the future. 

Ten years after South Sudan’s independence, Ambassador Susan D. Page joins the Council’s Elizabeth Shackelford on Deep Dish to discuss their shared history in the country, what went wrong with statehood, and the lessons the international community must learn for the future.  

A century after the founding of the Chinese Communist Party, Bruce Dickson, author of The Party and the People: Chinese Politics in the 21st Century, joins Deep Dish to examine how the party maintains its power and what influences will shape its future—and geopolitics. 

After nearly 20 politically motivated arrests in the last month, Nicaraguan President Ortega’s crackdown on his opposition could shake the country’s democracy. Researcher Ryan Berg and journalist Cindy Regidor join Deep Dish to explain the field for November’s presidential election and whether we’re witnessing the rise of a “second dictatorship.”

Underneath the public face of unity at this week’s NATO meetings, potential disagreements and fissures between the United States and its European allies could significantly complicate the US’ return to the global stage. Council President Ivo Daalder and the New York Times’ Steve Erlanger join Deep Dish to analyze if President Biden has successfully reinvigorated the alliance and whether a shared agenda exists.

Researcher and practitioner Séverine Autesserre argues that traditional approaches to peacebuilding often fail because they follow a top-down formula: expert expatriates parachute in to solve a problem with big budgets, cut-and-paste solutions, and a return ticket home. She joins Deep Dish to explain why a new strategy is needed and how grassroots efforts offer hope for an end to violent conflict.

China announced families can now have three children as opposed to two — a reaction to new data showing shocking population growth slowdowns and mirroring global declines. Demographics expert Nicholas Eberstadt joins Deep Dish to explain why population size, capabilities, and characteristics matter more for competition between great powers than economic or military power. 

US Secretary of State Blinken reaffirmed the United States’ commitment to protecting American interests in the Arctic last week—but what does that mean, exactly? Arctic experts Eugene Rumer and Rebecca Pincus join Deep Dish to unpack the debate over the Arctic’s potential as a geopolitical flashpoint and possibilities for a very cold new Cold War.

After a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, former United States Special Envoy for Israeli-Palestinian Negotiations Martin Indyk joins Deep Dish to explain the pattern driving the latest violence, and implications for the peace process, regional stability, and President Biden’s desire to pivot away from the Middle East. 

Turkish President Erdoğan initially pursued “zero problems with neighbors” as a foreign policy strategy, but now relies on the country’s military might to achieve political goals. Brookings’ Kemal Kirişci and journalist Ayla Jean Yackley join Deep Dish to explain what Turkey’s approach means for neighbors, allies, and foes.

Vice President Kamala Harris urged world leaders at the United Nations this week to begin preparing for the next pandemic, even as COVID-19 case numbers continue to rise in some parts of the world. Abbott’s Gavin Cloherty and the Cary Institute’s Barbara Han join Deep Dish to explain their strategies for tracking infections and why collaboration is the key to preventing future outbreaks. 

Twenty-three years after the Good Friday Accords, sectarian violence in Northern Ireland is once again making headlines. The European University Institute’s Brigid Laffan and POLITICO Europe’s Shawn Pogatchnik join Deep Dish to explain why the trade fallout from Brexit could destroy the fragile peace.

After failing to hold elections in February, Somalia’s President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo passed legislation this week to extend his power for at least two more years, prompting global concern. Somali academic Abdi Aynte and former US diplomat Elizabeth Shackelford join Deep Dish to unpack the players in Somalia’s politics and what role the international community should — or shouldn’t— have in its future.