People don’t want to follow brands. Kipp and Kieran are joined by Ankur Nagpal (Founder at Ocho) to go all in on Ocho’s $0 marketing strategy. Learn why Ocho’s betting big on their team building their individual brands, how to take advantage of the hidden tax codes, why creators need to build ownership, and how to recruit a marketing leader. About Ankur Recently launched Ocho (ocho.com) to help business owners build wealth. He also runs Vibe Capital (vibe.vc), a venture capital fund with 100+ portfolio companies and $100M+ in AUM.  Previously, founded Teachable (teachable.com) & scaled to $50M+ in ARR before selling to Hotmart, where he serves on the board. Currently lives in Brooklyn, NY when not vagabonding around the globe. Connect with Ankur! Ocho https://ocho.com/  LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ankurnagpal/  Twitter https://twitter.com/ankurnagpal  Mentions Sam Parr https://twitter.com/thesamparr  Ankur’s Tweet https://twitter.com/ankurnagpal/status/1593026491058917377  Ocho https://twitter.com/ochowealth  Teachable https://teachable.com/  Google Bard https://bard.google.com/  We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.