Bryan is joined by Mathew Shurka, CoFounder and Chief Strategist for Born Perfect, to talk about ending conversion therapy in America. They start with the origin story of Born Perfect and Mathew tells us how they’ve been able to outlaw the practice in so many places across the country. He talks about his own experience in conversion therapy as a teenager and the trauma of being separated from his family. At 9:20 they discuss a study about the huge number of people who have been subjected to the practice. To close the show they tell us what the next steps are for outlawing conversion therapy across the country and the biggest obstacles to making it happen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices