Dancer and movement director Vanessa Marian Varghese describes her career as a succession of failures – trying to start an online homewares store and failing, trying to be an art director and failing. Finishing a law degree but not wanting to pursue it.

But when she didn’t know what she was going to do with her life, she took a dance class and learned something. Now, that curiosity and learning has blossomed into a career in dance and thriving business, Groove Therapy. We talk about how the secret to life is being a student, allowing business and ideas to grow without pushing, going easy on yourself with your daily habits and finding the beauty in faffing. * * *

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