Tami Simon speaks with Gary Renard who over the course of nine years, was visited by two beings named Pursah and Arten in a series of encounters. These “ascended beings,” as Gary refers to them, claimed to have been disciples of Jesus and, one claimed to be Gary himself from a future incarnation. Gary’s account of these conversations is recorded in his book The Disappearance of the Universe. He is the author of the Sounds True audio learning programs Secrets of the Immortal and The End of Reincarnation. Gary discusses the disappearance of the universe, the practice of putting the Holy Spirit in charge of your life, what forgiveness means to him, and what it means to undo the ego.(49 Minutes).