How should the United States respond to China’s rapidly expanding footprint in Africa? Host Judd Devermont (CSIS) teams up with the co-hosts of the China in Africa Podcast, Cobus van Staden and Eric Olander, as well as Yun Sun (Stimson Center) to discuss how the U.S. government can develop a more pragmatic and effective policy to manage China’s activities in Africa. A review of President Ramaphosa’s progress in South Africa and Zambian President Lungu’s crackdown on anti-China politicians serve as episode preludes. This episode is a joint production with the China in Africa Podcast, hosted and produced by the founders of the China Africa Project, Eric Olander and Cobus van Staden. Click here to listen to the China in Africa Podcast edition of the program. Subscribe to the China in Africa podcast on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe to the China Africa Project email newsletter.