Ben and Grant reconvene to discuss the broader changes evidenced by two very different presidential interviews, and the extraordinary ongoing escalation in the level of pure grift swamping the world - a situation which becomes seemingly more egregious with each passing day.

Chris Cornell's level of happiness, the thoughts of Yogi Berra and Blaise Pascal and the damage that a mobster called Bobo could do to a man armed only with a bag of oranges are all referenced in an attempt to try and unravel the narratives du jour.

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