Rachel sits with Joe Szimhart, mental health professional, cult information specialist, and artist based in Philadelphia for a lively free-wheeling discussion on how his brief time in the new age group, Church Universal and Triumphant, destroyed his first marriage as a young artist. Then he shares how he stumbled into the world of exit counseling; and the techniques he uses. Joe has had experiences debunking channelers, psychics, ascended masters, and spirit mediums and has spent a lot of time contemplating why people want to believe them. Nobody has the right answers to the big questions! Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel talks more about the effects of cult groups on relationships and marriages.