Trillions of euros — trillions! — are currently invested in 'sustainable' investment funds across Europe. But how green really are these funds? This week we ring up El País journalist Daniele Grasso, part of the international team of reporters behind the Great Green Investment Investigation, to find out. We're also talking about Sanna Marin's defeat, Italy's move to ban ChatGPT, and courgette flowers.

You can find Follow The Money's investigation on green investigation funds here, with links to reporting from Daniele and the rest of the team at the bottom of the page. The TechCrunch piece on the ramifications of Italy's ChatGPT ruling can be found here.

This week's Isolation Inspiration: courgette flowers with garlic butter and oats; 99% Invisible - The Panopticon Effect.  

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00:22 British lads and the correct way to enjoy a marathon

04:21 Bad Week: Sanna Marin

09:55 Good Week: Italy vs ChatGPT

20:28 Interview: Daniele Grasso on Europe's not-so-green investment funds

32:19 Isolation Inspiration: Courgette flowers and 99% Invisible: The Panopticon Effect

35:31 Happy Ending: Congratulations, Ryyan!

Producers: Katy Lee and Wojciech Oleksiak 

Mixing and mastering: Wojciech Oleksiak

Music: Jim Barne and Mariska Martina

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