Take one flick through the pages of Lisa Messenger's brainchild mag The Collective and you'll know that the publication is unparalleled in the print game and makes you walk away feeling motivated instead of trying to comprehend Hollywood's latest love triangle. In this week's episode of Founders University, Lisa explains that the dream wasn't so clear cut, and that her path from horse riding instructor to working in real estate, sponsorship and event management, to Editor In Chief of The Collective was one hell of a winding path. "I think people often expect that there’s a linear path to where you land, " she explained. "In isolation not one single thing makes any sense whatsoever to own a global media brand, but, when I kind of go back through it all - and this is probably what’s really important for the listeners - it all kind of makes perfect sense in its illogical nonsensical kind of way, and not just in a business sense but also personal things that I’ve come up against." "I mean, I’ve been through a divorce, I gave up drinking thirteen and a half years ago, so it’s all those things that you can either choose to pull you down or go, 'Actually, that freaking fuels me.' Because it’s from those things and those pain points, where I’ve actually utilised them to learn that resilience and push me harder." Make sure you listen to the podcast for the rest, because there's plenty more where that came from.