What is the significance of the chaotic Afghanistan withdrawal for the future of transatlantic relations? Ulrike Franke and Giovanna De Maio join Andrea Kendall-Taylor and Jim Townsend to discuss how Europeans have reacted to the withdrawal and whether it may give new impetus to efforts for strategic autonomy. Dr. Ulrike Franke is a senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR). She leads ECFR’s Technology and European Power initiative. Her areas of focus include German and European security and defense, the future of warfare, and the impact of new technologies such as drones and artificial intelligence on geopolitics and warfare. Dr. Giovanna De Maio is a nonresident fellow in the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution and a visiting fellow with George Washington University’s Institute for European, Russian, and Eurasian Studies. She has a background in West-Russia relations and international security and focuses her research on transatlantic political and security relations.