With a recession looming, many business leaders are looking for ways to cut spending wherever possible. And while tool bloat affects many security teams, it can be a challenging problem to tackle for a couple of reasons. First, there’s the fear that security will be lost if a tool is removed. Second, there’s the daunting task of unraveling complex systems. And finally, there’s the perennial talent shortage. Like all challenges in security, they’re made even worse by the fact that there’s not enough people able to tackle them.  During this CyberWire-X episode, host Rick Howard, the CyberWire’s CISO, Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, speaks with Hash Table member Ted Wagner, the CSO of SAP National Security Services, and host Dave Bittner speaks with sponsor ExtraHop Senior Technical Marketing Manager Jamie Moles. They discuss solutions to help business and security leaders to not just address these challenges, but to get more out of their tooling as they do. They discuss strategies for how to determine which tools you actually need and which you can get rid of, as well as the step-change benefits that can be realized when you consolidate, automate, and integrate your security solutions.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices