On our first episode, Sandra sits down with teacher and writer Steve Garber. Steve has spent much of his life thinking about faith and vocation, and their conversation covers the nature of calling, the numbness of our culture, and the God who meets us in the midst of our pain. This episode was produced by Mike Cosper It was recorded by Seth Talley It was edited by TJ Hester It was mixed by Mark Owens Our music is by Sandra McCracken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices