A company that creates websites for many clients involved in the arts here and overseas, doesn't actually have one of its own. Sons Co, based in an old shipping warehouse in Lyttelton, is an unconventional digital agency in other ways too. In fact, founders Matt Arnold and Tim Kelleher almost talked themselves out of appearing on this show - they wondered whether listeners would be interested in their geeky work. Tim and Matt are guest speakers at Wintec's upcoming Ramp Festival of Music, Media, Arts Design in Hamilton on the 24th of July. They take Lynn Freeman back to the start of Sons Co in 2008.