In this episode, Joel and Chad interview Jason Putnam, Chief Revenue Officer at Plum, about the flaws of skills-based hiring and the future of work. They discuss the challenges of becoming a skills-based organization, the importance of soft skills in hiring and promotion decisions, and the need for clean and comprehensive data to drive talent management. They also touch on the role of credentialing and the potential demise of the traditional resume. Overall, the conversation explores the evolving landscape of talent acquisition and management in the face of rapid technological advancements. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Welcome 02:13 - The Flaws of Skills-Based Hiring 06:10 - The Challenges of Creating a Foundational Base for Skills-Based Hiring 09:24 - The Integration of Talent Acquisition and Talent Management 13:00 - The Importance of Transparency and Internal Mobility 15:09 - The Role of Credentialing and Ongoing Learning 24:28 - Optimism and Pessimism about the Future of Work Keywords skills-based hiring, future of work, soft skills, data, credentialing, resume, talent acquisition, talent management, AI, upskilling