There has been “no moral leadership from the Biden administration and the Democrats” on immigration policy, argues Detention Watch Network’s Silky Shah in Part 2 of our interview about her new book, Unbuild Walls: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition. She recalls Biden’s early vow to reduce immigration detention, cut contracts and check enforcement, but backslide when “Republicans quickly took back the narrative.” She discusses how immigrant justice movement organizers are now working toward a vision of abolition, beyond the criminal system and comprehensive immigration reform.