This week on Bad With Money, Gaby talks to author and former debt collector Paco De Leon about "finance for the people," democratizing money knowledge, and spreading as many "secrets" as possible. Then, they speak to comedian River Butcher about the concept of a "day job," how to make and keep money as a creative person, and an anti-capitalist and non-normative view of finance. If you want tips, give this a listen! Gaby Dunn Instagram: @GabyRoad BWM Instagram: @bwmpod BWM Facebook group: http://tinyurl.com/badwithmoneyfb The BWM Discord channel: https://discord.gg/dAdxj4JMER Find Gaby on Patreon: patreon.com/gabydunn Shop gabydunn.com/shop for merch! For a full transcript of this episode, visit: https://bit.ly/3DqPaLZ Bad with Money is produced, edited, sound engineered and mixed by Elif Geris and Tanya Bustos. The Executive Producer is Tanya Bustos. The theme song was performed by Sam Barbara and written by Myq Kaplan, Zach Sherwin, and Jack Dolgen. Additional music by Joey Salvia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy