Indie Opera Podcast's co-hosts welcome Joseph Martin Waters, Dr. Daniel Pate and Rodolfo Giron for a fascinating conversation about the new opera they’ve been developing, El Colibri Magico (The Magic Hummingbird) - A California Story, which is an update of the story of St. Francis set in modern day San Diego and Tijuana that follows three upper middle class So Cal teenagers as they interact with a community of Honduran refugees marooned at the border who have connections to ancient Mayan rituals and secrets.