Minister for the Armed Forces James Heappey joins Christopher Hope to reflect on the tumultuous exit from Afghanistan and what the UK's future relationship with the country might look like. Speaking in Westminster's legendary Red Lion pub, he dismisses suggestions of a blame game battle between the Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence, tells us what he really thinks about the charity chief who evacuated animals out of Kabul, Pen Farthing, and discusses the "wobble in confidence and mojo" in the special relationship. Plus Mr Heappey shares how, as a veteran, the last few weeks have taken their toll. 

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