The often difficult relationship between fathers and sons is one of the ideas Tamaki Makarau-based poet Michael Steven thinks about in his latest collection, Night School. In another series of poems subtitled "Dropped Pins", Michael whisks us from Pigeon Mountain in East Auckland, to New Brighton, even to South India. There's also a long series of poems based on long-distance bus trips he's taken over the years. The collection won the 2021 Kathleen Grattan Poetry Award, and has just been published. Lynn Freeman asked him first about the title. Michael Steven's collection Night School is published by Otago University Press.