Dr. Bob calls up infectious disease epidemiologist Julia Marcus to discuss risk, a concept many of us thought more about in the past year than ever before. Julia, a Harvard professor and contributor to The Atlantic, talks about why people take risks, the danger in stigmatizing risk-taking, and how to weigh the benefits and costs surrounding risk during the pandemic. They also cover pandemic fatigue and how Julia envisions the return to a new normal. Plus, the first Andy update from Lana!

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Check out these resources from today’s episode: 

• Read Julia’s latest article for The Atlantic, “Vaccinated People Are Going to Hug Each Other:”  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/giving-people-more-freedom-whole-point-vaccines/617829/ 
• Check out all of Julia’s COVID-19 Atlantic articles here: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/julia-marcus/ 
• Read what Bob and other experts have to say about what’s safe to do post-vaccine in this Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/01/vaccinated-people-precautions/
• Learn more about Julia’s work with Harvard Medical School’s Department of Population Medicine: https://www.populationmedicine.org/jmarcus 
• Learn more about Dr. Bob Wachter and the UCSF Department of Medicine here: https://medicine.ucsf.edu/ 

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