Manu Drijvers kicks off the discussion differentiating DFINITY’s Internet Computer from other EVM-based smart contracts. Manu talks about how DFINITY scales without heading toward centralization. Charlie and Manu discuss nodes and determining their level of decentralization. Manu shares his background and what drives him, diving into cryptography. Charlie and Manu talk about the term Bitcoiners and what it means to them. Manu explains how DFINITY’s ckBTC works. Manu shares what he thinks the relationship between AI and crypto will be as we move forward. Charlie shares his experience with ChatGPT. Manu explains why DFINITY is pursuing a wrapped Bitcoin option.