Andy and Michael Osterholm have a candid conversation about where things stand two years into the pandemic. During this live event hosted by the University of Minnesota's School of Public Health, they discuss how to reach science skeptics, the strain many states' healthcare systems are experiencing right now, and what to say to parents who aren't sure about vaccinating their young children. Plus, COVID will be with us long-term, so how do we adjust our mindset so we can learn to live in a world alongside the virus?

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Check out these resources from today’s episode: 

• Learn more about CIDRAP, the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/
• Check out the data from the Kaiser Family Foundation on parents’ attitudes toward vaccinating their kids, which Mike mentioned in today’s episode: https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-october-2021/
• Read the letter in support of OSHA’s vaccine requirement that Andy, Mike, and many more individuals and organizations signed: http://www.ezekielemanuel.com/writing/all-articles/2021/11/17/statement-supporting-osha-s-covid-vaccine-requirement
• Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/ 
• Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165 

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