A lot of people hoped that by this point in the pandemic, there'd be a finish line in sight. But with case numbers and deaths still alarmingly high, that's clearly not the case. Instead, epidemiologist Debra Furr-Holden told Stateside, we have to learn to live with the virus, and get real about the danger it still poses.  GUEST:  Debra Furr-Holden, epidemiologist and professor of public health at Michigan State University  Looking for more conversations from Stateside? Right this way. If you like what you hear on the pod, consider supporting our work. Stateside’s theme music is by 14KT. Additional music by Blue Dot Sessions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.