Andy begins with the big news: a vaccine for kids seems imminent. He breaks down the FDA vaccine advisory committee’s vote recommending authorization of the Pfizer vaccine, and outlines the next steps to get shots for 5-11 year-olds as soon as possible. Then, he calls up Dr. Richard Besser, President and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. They discuss what our response to COVID could mean for future public health crises and how we come back from the entrenched, tribalistic camps we find ourselves in today. Plus, the lessons we should be taking away from the death of General Colin Powell.

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Check out these resources from today’s episode: 

• Learn more about the next steps for the vaccine for kids: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-panel-greenlights-vaccines-kids-kicking-off-authorization/story?id=80778124
• Here’s more from Rich on the vaccine for kids: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-kids-pediatrician-questions-answers/
• Read more on Colin Powell, and how to think about his death and breakthrough infections in people who are immunocompromised: powell-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-concern.html">https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/colin-powell-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-concern.html
• Learn more about Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson’s change of heart on mask mandates: https://www.npr.org/2021/08/04/1024939859/arkansas-governor-reverse-law-let-schools-require-masks
• Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/ 
• Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165 

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