Gary Lineker's grandfather was one of the 'D-Day Dodgers': men who fought in the Italian campaign, who were accused of missing the supposedly harder fighting in Normandy. Of course, this wasn't true. The Italian campaign was one of the hardest military campaigns of WW2, and Dan talks to Gary about his grandfather who fought in Italy. They also, unsurprisingly, talk about football.

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