Is orange the new rosé? The explosion in popularity of natural wines has turned the wine world on its ear and may signal a return to ancient winemaking techniques. But what makes a wine natural, anyway? And how do you order it without sounding ridiculous? Amanda and Dan call in wine expert Joe Campanale, owner of Brooklyn’s Fausto and LaLou, to conquer their natural wine insecurities and learn a little bit about the history of the movement in the process. Plus, we look at the controversy surrounding a Momofuko investor, catch up with Kevin O'Leary's spending habits, and make a Pad Thai confession. Stories: • The Trump-Supporting Billionaire Behind Momofuko • Bros love White Claw Featuring: Joe Campanale (@JoeCampanale) June Wine Bar (@junewinebk) Astor Wines and Spirits (@AstorWines) Hosts: Amanda Kludt (@kludt),  Editor in Chief, Eater Daniel Geneen (@danielgeneen), Producer, Eater More to explore: Check out more great reporting from the Eater newsroom. Subscribe to Amanda’s weekly newsletter here. Follow Us: Eater.com Facebok.com/Eater YouTube.com/Eater @eater on Twitter and Instagram Get in Touch: digest@eater.com About Eater: Eater obsessively covers the world through the lens of food, telling stories via audio, television, digital video, and publications in 24 cities across the US and UK.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices