It's the end of an era and the changing of the guard as Big Jim reflects emotionally on Saracens' defeat and everything that comes with it, while we speak to Exeter chairman and CEO Tony Rowe about the remarkable journey that has taken them from the lower leagues to the European Cup final in double quick time and the massive issues facing clubs and what the government need to do to help. Plus, we look ahead to the start of a new PRO14 season and the conclusion of the Premiership regular season and hilarity ensues once more when Jim takes on another riddle...  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices