In this episode, Fredrik sits down with Jon Choi from the Ethereum Foundation to discuss the latest scalability grants and what the plans are for the Ethereum Foundation grants in general. We also delve into what a business model for core infrastructure could mean and how to avoid the tragedy of the commons where no one is willing to invest in vital infrastructure because of the lack of immediate incentive. Finally, we discuss the general ecosystem, how we can learn from each other, how and what to build and what's needed before Ethereum can really become a platform suitable for mass adoption.