John Darnielle and Joseph Fink discuss the role in their lives of art, faith, and satan with John Green, author of The Fault in Our Stars and the upcoming Turtles All The Way Down. And we learn why making the job of creating art more difficult can sometimes make the art itself better. Premiering a new cover by Laura Jane Grace of Against Me!

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Learn more about John Darnielle’s two novels here: http://www.johndarnielle.comListen to more music by the Mountain Goats, including their latest album Goths, here: goats.com">http://www.mountain-goats.com

Check out Joseph Fink’s other shows, Welcome to Night Vale (http://www.welcometonightvale.com) and Alice Isn’t Dead (http://aliceisntdead.com). His second novel with Jeffrey Cranor, It Devours!, is out now: http://www.welcometonightvale.com/books/

Credits: Joseph Fink (host), John Darnielle (host), Christy Gressman (producer), Grant Stewart (editor), Vincent Cacchione (mixer), and Rob Wilson (logo). Produced by Night Vale Presents in collaboration with Merge Records and the Mountain Goats. http://ionlylistentothemountaingoats.com http://www.nightvalepresents.com