Why is there a stigma around women who kill? We find the female murderer far more disturbing than the male, so why is that? Hell hath no fury...Are women who commit murder and violent offences really more dangerous than men? And why is it so taboo to think of women commiting violence? In this epsiode David and Emilia look at the fascination with women who kill. Is it because it's so rare and unusual? There's currently only two women in the UK serving whole life tariffs for murder, yet there's hundreds of men. Or do women who kill frustrate the narative of the caring nurturing mother society pictures women as? To find out more, they speak to Dr.Emma Kelly, Criminologist and Specialist in Social and Health Sciences, who explains societies attittude towards women and how that prejudices our perception of female killers vs. male killers And David and Emilia sit down with Isla Traquair, from the Violent Delights podcast, who explains her findings in the murder of Melainie Sturton by Pamela Gourlay in October 1999. What was behind the senseless and brutal murder of this young women by another? And what has happened to Pamela now she is out of prison and in free society? Listen to find out! Subscribe and listen now, to If It Bleeds It Leads, with Professor David Wilson and Emilia Fox, on Global Player or wherever you get your podcasts.