This week Sickboy is bringing you a very special conversation from Jeremie's other podcast that he hosts with his far more eloquent and cool wife, Bryde. Matthew Remski is a long-term meditator and yoga practitioner. An author of fiction, non-fiction, and poetry, his current work focuses on the social psychology of healthy communities, and the study of faux-progressive wellness Utopias, particularly in the yoga community. We talk about the parallels between cult dynamics and anti-vax conspiracy and how we can communicate with loved ones who seem to be swallowed up in this harmful rhetoric. We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did, and if you like what you heard be sure to follow along with Turn Me On podcast where ever your get your pods.