In this bitesize episode Clemmie explores the topic of County Lines with Danielle Marin. Danielle grew up in London with first generation immigrant parents, she was accepted into a grammar school, however her life changed completely after a brutal attack led her to involvement with ‘gangs’ and drug crime. She later enrolled at university and graduated with a 1st. She has since advocated within the criminal justice system for many women: “the hidden victims and participants of organised crime”, and began her Masters in 2021. Clemmie and Danielle discuss what County Lines and 'country' means, why Danielle doesn't agree that she was in gang, and why nothing she experienced came close to the pain of having her son taken away from her. Danielle's book, ‘Top Girl’, is out now and comes highly recommended! Find Clemmie on social media @Clemmie_Telford and check out more podcast content @butwhy_podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices