This is just a preview of our exclusive Patreon bonus episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a supporter at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Patrick Ryan is a graduate of Maharishi International University and a former Associate teacher of Transcendental Meditation who has been a cult intervention specialist thought reform consultant and exit counselor since leaving TM in 1984. Mr. Ryan is the founder and former head of TM-EX, the organization of ex-members of Transcendental Meditation. He was the editor of AFF News, a news publication for former cult members from 1995-1998. Pat has contributed to the Cult Observer, AFF’s book, “Recovery From Cults”, and is co-author of "Ethical Standards for Thought Reform Consultants," Mr. Ryan established ICSA's online resources and also facilitated ICSA workshops for ex-members and families where he has lectured extensively on cult-related issues, covering a wide range of topics including; hypnosis, trance-induction techniques, communicating with cult members, cult intervention assessment, as well as thought reform consultation and more. Mr. Ryan received the AFF Achievement Award, The Leo J. Ryan "Distinguished Service Award" and a Lifetime Achievement Award from ICSA. He currently resides in Philadelphia, PA where he runs Cult News 101 and works as the co-founder of Intervention 101 with his longtime co-worker Joe Kelly. In this conversation between two longtime friends and colleagues, Pat recalls how he first met Rachel and how her invitation to him to speak at The Jewish Federation's cult clinic helped outline the intervention practices he uses to this day. Pat goes on to share his experiences at Maharishi University explaining the deceptive practices of the Transcendental Meditation teacher's courses and the theological tricks they employ to keep followers from questioning their teachings. Thanks so much to our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!