I don't consider my life a triumph, more like survival. And it has been. Jae and I discussed his books, two podcasts, and supporting each other. We also took a deep dive into wondering what was wrong in his head, how he wrote off and on from Jr High, being small in High School, working out, how he loved the power of the chase with women and sex and how disgusted he is with how he treated people badly - all because of how he felt about himself. Coming from an abusive home, meeting his wife, have the 4 children he loves, his suicide attempt, going to therapy, being diagnosed with depression and bipolar disorder, and being OK using medication to help. I loved how he discussed hating himself, wanting others to feel terrible, and how to combat that and how crippling it is not to understand why you feel the way you do. Consuming anything to make you feel better from sex to smoking to alcohol and drugs.  

His wife taught him that your past doesn't define who you are and has been his rock while figuring out not only his bipolar and depression issues but his exploration of gender dysphoria. Writing has been an outlet for Jae but his healing has also been learning to give himself grace.  

FIND JAE HERE: jnlavelle.com unafraid.simplecast.com www.youtube.com/c/spillinginkshow threefuriespress.com  

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