While James is away, Cher meets up with Phillip-Michael Scales to discuss the music business in Los Angeles, being a black singer-songwriter in the age of Black Lives Matter, and a special musical great that influenced him.

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References made during our conversation:

The Third Coast Radio Residency Program

“All My Words” by Briar Rabbit & The Company You Keep

“The Ballad of LA” by Phillip-Michael Scales

michaelscales.bandcamp.com/track/brother-brother">“Brother Brother” by Phillip-Michael Scales

BB King interview in 1968

Phillip-Michael Scales’ michael.net">website, Twitter, and podcast, michael.net/podcast/">Company You Keep

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Script written by Cher Vincent.

Production, editing, mixing, and music provided by James T. Green with editorial assistance by Cher Vincent and C'ne Rohlsen.

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