Now that we're grown ups, it may seem like there's less magic in the world. Sophie Duker, Heidi Regan and Ned Sedgwick are joined by magician Pete Firman to explore whether this is indeed the case. Sophie gets through a whole episode without a rant about Harry Potter, Ned gets tricked, Heidi investigates a ye olde magic trick involving a dead criminal's hand and Steve Ali demonstrates the magic of human memory. Co-created by Deborah Frances-White for The Spontaneity Shop and BBC Radio 4. Produced by Al Riddell. Music by Mark Hodge and Omahrose, produced by Nick Sheldon. Clips: Desert Island Discs (31/05/2019) The Unseen - A History of the Invisible (07/06/2016)