This episode explores abuse and propaganda in the real world by talking with two women who work with survivors of abuse. 

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• Previous Interview: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/113-s7e10-interview-submission-oppression-and-freedom
• The Body Keeps the Score: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18693771-the-body-keeps-the-score?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=cjyc48Wmam&rank=1 
• Why Does He Do That?: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/224552.Why_Does_He_Do_That_?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=XBbJo995ph&rank=1
• Chris Moles: http://www.chrismoles.org/

0:00 - Introduction5:25 - Judy and Rosanna Introduction8:05 - How to define abuse12:20 - Patterns make abuse15:15 - How abusers gain control22:30 - Why don't survivors recognize abuse sooner?31:20 - Mithridatism and Sensitization40:30 - How did you recognize abuse for the first time?45:00 - How does the church handle abuse?51:45 - How should the church handle abuse differently?1:04:45 - Closing remarks

• Philip Does
• Laverne Miller
• Jesse Killion