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What does it mean to go back to the ground and learn the fading skills necessary to work the forest with our hands? To read the land assisted by tools we sight with our own eyes? To create new visions of old roles, such as a land steward or cottager?

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I explore those thoughts and more with my guest today, Hazel, who some of you may know as Tom Ward. A long-time permaculture practitioner, he remains one of the few people who I feel comfortable calling an elder in the community. As you’ll hear during the conversation today, he carries an impeccable reputation and is known for his respect for people and respect for the land. Ask around among your circles, and you’ll likely hear this echoed by someone whose life was impacted by Hazel’s work as a teacher and storyteller to generations of permaculture practitioners. Which is funny, because, in this digital age, he’s not always the easiest person to find.

Drawing from his breadth of experience, Hazel shares with us the importance of putting away the gadgets and technology and embedding ourselves in a deep sense of place. To listen and be part of the land around us, and to work with those who are ready.

You can find out more about Hazel and his work, including upcoming social forestry and optical surveying classes, at siskiyoupermaculture.com.

If you have any thoughts or questions from this conversation with Hazel, leave a comment in the show notes or get in touch.

Email: show@thepermaculturepodcast.com Call: 717-827-6266 Write:

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Until the next time, dig deep and create the world you want to live in where you are by taking care of Earth, yourself, and each other.

Recommended Reading Beyond the War on Invasive Species by Tao Orion Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer Daughters of Copper Woman by Anne Cameron Emergent Strategy by Adrienne Brown Keeping it Living by Nancy Turner The Shallows by Nicholas Carr The Spell of the Sensuous by David Abram Tending the Wild by Kat Anderson World Without Mind by Franklin Foer

Resources Siskiyou Permaculture Social Forestry Course Optical Surveying Course Hazel’s Collected Videos and Recordings

Heartwood Institute Brock Dolman – Occidental Arts & Ecology Traditional Aboriginal Burning (Cool Burning)

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