Have you felt small lately? Viv Groskop talks to journalist, author and broadcaster Julia Baird about the value of shrinking, and how feeling small can inspire wonder. She talks about learning to be yourself, learning not to freak out about swallowing, and the number of accomplished women who won't appear on her show because they feel fat. She asks - why do we have to be perfect before we're allowed to express an opinion?

Julia's book Phosphorescence: On Awe, Wonder And Things That Sustain You When the World Goes Dark is out now.

Viv's book, Lift As You Climb is out now.

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