Howdy, Zengineers! This week, we're joined by our good buddy, Dave McCarty, a professional structural engineer and an amateur climber and spelunker. Yes, that's the correct word for one that adventures in caves. Together we explore the life of a licensed engineer, and how that impacts Dave's professional and personal activities. We discuss building codes, engineering accidents, and how being an engineer factors into hobbies. Finally we conclude with one of Brian's favorite stories to retell and embelish, Dave's adventure to the bottom of Ellison's Cave, the deepest, unobstructed underground pit in the continental United States. We hope you enjoy the convo. Support the show: http://support.zengineeringpodcast.com and visit our website for more episodes: https://zengineeringpodcast.com Cheers, Adam & Brian Show Notes Ellison's Cave (wikipedia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellison%27s_Cave What is the PE Exam: https://ncees.org/engineering/pe/ How to use climbing ascenders (YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA How to choose climbing rope: how-to-choose-climbing-ropes.html">https://www.ems.com/f/ea-how-to-choose-climbing-ropes.html --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/zengineering-podcast/support